3/4 erection for Jelquing

Well guys im 49 years old and i gotta tell ya its real tough for me to even maintain much more than a half erection most of the time while jelquing ! will this cost me real gains ? or will it just take longer to acheive them ?
any suggestions about keepin it hard ? i kegel regularly . it seems to be helping but i still have to struggle to maintain hardness during the 45 minute Jelquing session !!!
any herbs or concoctions anybody tried that has helped them ? other than viagra ? which im not about to take everytime i PE !! lol
i'd appreciate any advice anybody could offer !!!
thanx

[phat9]

I have the same problem. That is one reason I substituted hanging for jelq.

There are times when I can maintain a hard better than others, but I have to constantantly massage vigorously, which gets in the way of jelquing. I still jelq from time to time but I just start milking and let the erection build as it will. I don't worry about how

[phat9]

I have the same problem. That is one reason I substituted hanging for jelq.

There are times when I can maintain a hard better than others, but I have to constantantly massage vigorously, which gets in the way of jelquing. I still jelq from time to time but I just start milking and let the erection build as it will. I don't worry about how "hard" I get, so I just do the best I can. I do it not for enlargement, but for circulation and blood flow after hanging 20 lbs.

I have found if you don't "worry" about how hard you get (80%, 81.67%??), that you can do a better job of jelquing. With hanging, it takes the "pressure" off jelq.

My problem is that there ARE times when I could maintain a good erection (as I'm sure it is with you) but I'm usually not in a position to jelq at those times. I am often tired at night, when I have most of the time to devote to it.

I'd suggest, at your age, to seriously incorportate hanging into PE and let jelq be a complement.

Well guys, I understand your delema. I too have had this problem in the past. What I do to help with this issue is have a good porn handy, then whenever I start to go soft I will put the porn on until I have reached my erection goal.

I also jelq soft during the day and manual stretch everytime I use the restroom. I think that as long as you are working your member, you will get some gains. Ideally would be to maintain that 3/4 erection, but do what you have to to stay on track with your routine. Something is allways better than nothing.

Just my thoughts,

2HARD

[bona bona]

I am 51 and struggle with the same issues.

I do find first thing in the morning works best for me in terms of keeping an errection. there are some herbs that work very well, but I would be reluctant to take those in the morning and be unduly horny for the rest of the day. I find that I have to close my eyes and just use my imagination sometimes (which also can backfire because then I get too hard)

If you have a pump, also try pumping for one minute at low pressure during a jelqing session to keep it going.

I also jelq over a cheap vaporizer (watch out you don't burn yourself because the heat can be inconsistent) I find the heat from the steam to be somewhat stimulating and also helps to continue the warm up process into the jelqing/stretching session

BB

thanx Phat !!! well at least im not alone !! lol
ya good suggestion !!! i am starting with lite weights to build up to the heavy ones !!! i guess they will eventually build girth too right ? thats the only reason i jelq and just like u to get the blodd flowing better.
but wow 20lbs u r awsome Dude !!! lol how long did it take u to get up to that much weight ? how long do u hang with that much weight ?

thanx 2hard !!!

ya i think i may have to go the porno route too !!!

thanx Bona !!!
good suggestion about pumping !!! ya know that had occured to me too !! i think i might try a little lite pumping before jelquing to see what happens .

Also what herbs have u tried that make u horney ? i even have been struggling with a lack of labido lately !!!

tough to get old aint it ? lol

[bona bona]

hey gb, I don't know about you, but since I started this stuff, I gotta new lease on sex. my girlfriend is 15 years younger than me, and she is starting to complain.

just watch out with the pump, I usually use low pressure for only a minute, otherwise I get too sore to continue with a vigorous work out.

As far as my imagination, can't get into that, so far thoughts can't get you locked up.


good luck, BB

Bona: what's this new lease on sex? You mean more/better erections, or what?

[bona bona]

I almost forgot, I got a book from the library called better sex naturally, it is written very well by an md, Dr. Chris Meletis. the book deals in detail with the pros and cons of just about all the herbs out there for sexual support and also helps you taylor a combination to help with certain issues.

Also the source of herbs really makes a difference. I really like muira puama, which is safe and has no bad side effects. I had been using some by gaaya, (from vitamins.com) they didn't have that brand last time so I bought a different brand and it seems to have no effect.

I also take 500mg of aginine twice a day. there are studies that show this helps beneficially regulate the pituitary gland in regard to hormones.

my guaranteed formula (if you want to stay up all night)

is 2grams arginine, 500mb yohimbe (I used one that has some tribulus blended with it), 60mg ginko (standardised) 30 drops of muira puama/catawba tincture.

BB

I'm with Phat on this one.
I switched from jelqing to hanging because I had a hard time maintaining that 80% for so long and my hands got tired. Hanging does the work for you.

[bona bona]

ok dangleboy, I don't mean to hog this thread but I have always had a rather active libido. last summer I completely lost it for about two months. I totally freaked out. I said to myself, ok , so this is how it is gonna be, and then I read the better sex book and got into pe.

I think the biggest difference for me is when you are a teenager, you think about your dick all day and night and then one day you wake up and you just don't. when you start pe, the spend an hour, nearly everday woking on your dick, and then, hopefully, when you are done you have a nice heavy thing swinging around down there to remind you all day. I don't know how else to explain it, but that just restarted the whole awareness chain for me. it has helped me feel better about myself and there is no doubt that jelqing has dramatically improved the quality of my errections and I would recomend that men consider this regimen for this reason alone.

good luck again, BB

thanks for the input Bona. I am 40 and dating a 24 year old hottie, also now and then "stray" - prefer much younger girls -- and penis confidence is a big issue. I hit a bad place with libido and erections awhile back, and started testosterone replacement (with a gel), and then soon after, jelquing. Things definitely got better, but I haven't been able to sort out what was the testosterone and what was the PE in terms of the improvement (more morning boners, maintaining hardness better during sex and not having those occasions where I just couldn't get it up, etc). Right now I have backed off the testosterone to see if jelquing alone gives me the better/more frequent erections. But I have about three new girls in play so I'm a little hesitant --

[phat9]

gotabebigger........it took me 7 months (from June 00 to Jan 01) to go from 4 pounds to 20 pounds, but last nite, for example, I had to start at 17.5, a bit below my "max" since I'm just beginning to go "electric" again for the third or fourth time in that seven month period. Tonight, I may have to start as low as 15, but who knows. Then, after a day or so of rest and Anica, I will be back at 20 again, until 20 seems too light. I myself cannot believe I am at 20.

Don't worry about how MUCH your max weight is, it is IRRELEVANT. It's the stretch your ligs are getting, and at lower max it is just as effective than at higher max. In a way, going to higher max weight is not good, since it says your ligs have gotten tougher and it takes more and more stress resistance to break down bonds.

Also, gotabe......hanging does not interfere with erections of old geezers like us nearly as much as jelquing does, though you might find this fact almost counterintuitive and hard to believe, but it is true. Some of my post-hanging hards, with considerable effort I must admit, finally get to a rock hard state not attainable after jelquing. Rest a few days, and wow, it's steel. I am becoming less and less of a jelq advocate, though I jelq some still for blood flow. I'm not sure a good erection is just as effective for that.

I also find jelquing to make my foreskin (I'm uncut) swell much worse than the heaviest hanging, mostly due to the new Bib hanger I have been testing for several months.

But, there are times when your member will be so shriveled and fatigued from hanging that you have no choice but to milk and jelq to bring it back to normality, and in the very worst fatigue cases, it can take up to 3 days of milking and jelquing to bring it back. But back it will come even stronger. You find that more in the beginning of hanging, or when you move up in max weight.

Also Gotabebigger, hanging DOES add to GIRTH, contrary to popular belief by some. You will find it much stronger and tougher too. And concerning herbs, yes, there are some that work for me and I have posted ad infinitum on them. Intimax can get me frenzied horny, but I hate to waste it on jelquing and one must overdose, so I don't do that. I find Arginine useless for me, absolutely useless, but others find it helpful. Intimax has puama in it, but it is a special spray ("liposome molecule delivery") that gets smaller quantities directly to the blood system FAST,,,,,,,sometimes less than 15 minutes and you are foaming at the mouth for pussy.

For Intimax call 1-800 406-1314. I have tried them all, and nothing comes close to this stuff.


bonabona: Intimax has what you take PLUS other stuff (tribulus, epimedium sagittatum--aka "horny goat weed"---awesome stuff). Try it and you will probably be amazed but it tastes bad. I have gotten so used to the taste that I welcome it, however. You would still need to take Arginine (if you think it helps) and gingko separately, since they are not in Initimax.

The vaporizor sounds novel.......I use a "wet" heating pad.

dangleboy !!
how did u go about getting the testosterone ? did u get a doc to prescribe it for ya ?

im gonna try the herbs that Bona suggested too . i gotta do somthin to get my sex drive back last few months it has just fallen to shit !!! maybe elevated blood pressure or elevated blood sugar is the problem i here both those things can lead to that happeneing as well as inability to get good erections . maybe i better see a doc and get checked out !!! this is terrible !!! imagine if i get a 10 incher and cant use it ? :-(

Bona!!

is that l-arginine the amino acid u r refering to ?

Gottabe: you have to get testosterone from a urologist. It used to be a pain (injections) but they just came out with a gel. It's supposed to only help if you are below normal (I was at the low end of normal), and not supposed to help if you already have a normal testosterone count. The doctor will take blood and test you. For guys who were low in testosterone during the FDA testing, there was an increase of 300% in morning boners, for example. Makes a huge difference in overall drive and libido too.

In my case, I'm experimenting on cutting back the testosterone (since it does have side effects) to see how my sex drive is, and particularly the quality of my erections from jelquing alone.

[bona bona]

yep, I buy arginine in the amino acids section of my local vitamin superstore. usually try to buy the one on sale for about $5 for 60 500mg capsules.

check this site www.kirlian.org/life_enha...1pro~3.htm (http://www.kirlian.org/life_enhancement_products/n31pro~3.htm)

I would be cautious about using very much yohimbe unless your heart and blood pressure are in pretty good shape. the yohimbine (prescripton version) also mentioned on this site does not have the same adverse effects on the cardiovascular system.

hope this helps. BB

i may get tested to see whata goin on in that department! somthin just aint right here !!!

Phat i can't thank u enough for talking the time to explain that stuff to me !!! boy !!! did i learn alot from this thread !!! and i have now heard 3 people say this intimax stuff is very effective !!! i also have heard some of the same thngs about hanging that u mentioned !! I'm glad u reniforced it cuz i am starting with lite weights and working up to the heavy ones like u r at !! maybe jelquing will just fall by the wayside if i can get the "hang" of these weights !!! pun intended !!! lol

A quick mention on some additional herbs/products that might be of interest for "keeping it up' while jelqing. I recently purchased some tribulus terrestris, as per recommendations on another thread. Seems to work good for blood flow and getting it up, especially when a little ginko biloba is thrown in the mix. Other market products I recommend include epemedium (horny goat weed), muira puama, damiana leaves and licorice root. You'll find that most of these ingredients are found in many of the "performance enhancing" products on the market today. There are a lot of combinations out there that can work wonders. It's all a matter of finding the one that works for you.

As a side note, I've have tried and still use L-Arginine. However, it does nothing for my stamina or getting it up, but it is a great amino that packs one hell of a load (ejaculation) if you consume a lot of water and take about 1500-2000 mg about 30 mins to an hour before intercourse, or whatever you may be doing. You'll cum like a pornstar!!! The drawback is that those kinds of dosages can wreak havoc on people with defficient immune systems. So be careful, as with all supps.

Safer to read up on everything before you venture to try or experiment with herbs/supplements. Go talk with your local nutritionist or expert. I usually go to Sun Harvest for my purchases (those that I don't do online) and speak with the reps there before trying anything. They are fairly informative and can guide you to the products you are looking for. Be honest with them and let them know what you are trying to accomplish.

Good luck. ZenStyle

[phat9]

Zen: Intitmax has all the herbs you mentioned, except Arginine, in a sublingual spray that delivers the herbs directly to the bloodstream with liposome polymer bubble technology.

It works very fast most of the time. For the first time, it is not working well for me, but the reason is because I am at the trough of my eros cycle, with the death of a family member and other illness problems getting in the way. Yet, I bet if I took 10 full sprays of Intimax on the tongue, I'd be horny in 30 minutes.

I'll have to check out Intimax, Phat, thanks. Sounds like a nice concoction. ;-) BTW, hope your issues work themselves out, Phat. I know how stressful family and health probelms can sometimes be. They can certainly have a physical effect.

Another note on herbs and supps. Sometimes our bodies get tuned in to what we are taking and the benefits we derive from them aren't as effective after say 4-6 weeks. It's always good to cycle off for a least a few weeks, then jump back into an herbal program. Again, your local expert can probably help there. Certainly not the case all the time, but most scientific studies agree that cycling is one of the best ways to derive the benefits of using herbs.

ZenStyle

BB, you mention the mixture below that you swear by, but where can I buy;

30 drops of muira puama/catawba tincture
and
500mb yohimbe (with the tribulus )?

[bona bona]

I don't know where you live littlejohn, I am in the washington dc area and the freshfields supermarkets have a good selection of quality brand herbs (not the cheapest place to shop but they have very high standards) and they carry this stuff.

We also have vitamin superstores in our area which you can also order online from at www.vitamins.com

gaia is one brand that I have had good luck with. I really do suggest trying to find a store that knows something about this stuff and talk to someone about it. some herbs work much better for some poeple that do others and the theory behind this is trying to find out what needs balancing in your system first, then select the herbs that will help.

Hope this helps, BB

Phat8 Does the intimax have bad effect of those of use who are on high blood pressure medicine and high colestrol medication? And, is there a website for the intimax. I'm 54 and have ALL of the stuff mentioned on this thread. I did get the MD to change medication to the sister one that you're on and it has helped a little. Thanks Steven