Phat: Update and questions.

[Dance]

Hey Phat,
Things are going well with me. I increased the hanging from every other day to 5 days on and one or two off. Also I increased my weight a few pounds more and also now hang 4 sets. I would love to hang more sets but it is just very time consuming. I believe I could hang more sets at night and thus my question. OK I have the system of hanging down you suggested. You are not saying attach the heaviest weight you can stand and through it over the side lol. But rather work up to the maximum weight in the first set and then on the 2, 3 and thereafter reduce the weight as needed. That is how it is working out now cause as I proceed I have to reduce the weight. I am really feeling the stress on the ligament, but I still don't that an electric feeling and am not sure why. Now I start my day with this and between sets do my things around the house so typically it is more than 10 minutes but that is ok. From what I understand you are saying that after the 3rd set the weight is not the main factor but rather the continuous stretch as long as the weight does not fall below half of the maximum. OK so what if I hang at night? After 4 sets I typically need to work out and run errands then at night while watching TV I have the time to hang again. So should I again hang the max on the first set? What do you think about breaking up the hanging verses 5 or 6 sets? Maybe this seems like a silly question. But if I can hang a few sets at night while chilling and watching TV it all adds up.

Next question is about pumping. I remember when you started pumping and also know that you incorporate using Viagra sometimes to get really thick and have sex. I pumped a few times with viagra and damm it really made it sooooo much bigger. So...are you saying after all this time and even with that technique you have still not gained permanent girth from it or did I misunderstand? What about if I incorporate the stretcher? I know you use the penis grow but which is hundreds of dollars. The Max extender is only 45.00, do you have an opinion of me using that or should I just stick with hanging?
Thanks again,
Dance

[phat9]

To be honest, after all this, and yes even at TEN inches of pumped girth, I have gained zero inches of permanent girth. There are times it "looks" much thicker, throughout all stages of erection and partial erection, but when I reach for the string and put it to the ruler, NADA.

Like you, I am one of the few on this board, less than 1/10 of one percent, wh shows no girth gains at all after over year of hard and consistent PE. I do have a problem with "retraction" when I reach for the ruler, but that does not affect girth much.

As to your routine, you are still "wimping" out on the first initital sets. Don't workd up to maximum, as that is what I think you said. You sound like you start below max, and at the same session rep you add a bit more until you max out. You can do that but that is not what I said, or what Bib recommends.

Do this: at the outset, put on the max weight, ALL of it and hang till you cannot do so comfortably, THEN ( and only then) move down in weight. You stop when you must move down below half max weight.

Example: say your max weight right now = 10 pounds, and you plan on doing 5 rsets of 20 minute hangs, with a minimum of 10 minutes hot wrap between. Then, on the first set, attach all 10 pounds and hang for the entire 20 minutes. Rest, wrap, and then on the second set hang 10 again IF you can stand it. If you cannot, then hang 9 if you can stand 9. If not, hang 8.5 or 8 or whatever you can tolerate. Hang that 9 or 8.5 or whatever for 20 minutes and then rest. Continue this pattern, each set attaching the maximum you can stand. If at set number 5 you cannot stand 5 pounds comfortably, then STOP. You have worked the ligs about all you can.

Breaking up hanging is fine, you don't have to do 5 - 6 sets all in a row. The body remembers.

The stretcher is fine. Due to my head design, I vary wildly as to the length of time I can us a stretcher, all the way from zero (the head sqaushes up and collapses on itself causing the loop to slide over the head) to 3 hours one time (using 1/4 inch silicon tubing in place of the braided nylon loop on the PenisGrow.). The time I went 3 hours (in total comfort at "max stretch"), I could
have gone many more hours but had to go to bed.

Again, I'm optimistic but I have no where near the gains to show for all my effort as deosn most on this board, e.g., BigBob10 and others. I just keep plugging along and ignore the unbelievable success of others, because thinking negatively does nothing to help you. Personally, I just don't see how some gain so much from so little (case in point: BigBob is getting much of his from just pumping alone!!!!!!!!! little or lite hanging), but they do and I am happy for them. I started off very big and have gained very little, though I've at least gained a little net abvove my former youthful size. Right now I am having some erectile problems owing a lot to my springtime allergies, so I cannot say what I have gained in length. Back in October, at my last fuckfest with my GF (long story there), I seemed to be unusually long, at or beyond 9 easily, but when I grab for the ruler, I retract ever so much. I had no ruler in that motel room, but I think I could have gotten a good measurement. I have not had such an opportunity since. I just keep on keeping on plugging away, every time I get a chance, when I get one.

If the maxextender is that "strap" thing, then I don't think it would do you or I much good, but it might work wonders for ultra fast gaining guys like BigBob10.

[Dance]

Well ok guess I misunderstood. I can't find it now but another guy posted a question about whether or not you agree with Tom Hubbard about working up to max on hanging and I could swear you said yes work up on the first set but then work down on the following sets. OK so strap it all on and go for it right at the very beginning? Damm that takes some serious balls. That is some scary shit but screw it, either I am going to pull the damm thing off or grow somehow. I will do that tonight when I hang. I'll let you know if I break anything.

I am going to stay away from the stretchers for now since I have been reading some of the reviews. I did however have some hope with the pumping. After hanging, sometimes if I take a little viagra and pump, it really grows and afterwards my erection is quite a bit larger. Somehow instead of the erection being weak and dying after all that work, the viagra gives me a great erection and pumps blood into the stretched and worked areas. It just seems like this would somehow help to cement gains. Damm this really sucks everything I do to my penis and nothing permanent after a year. Hours and hours and hours. I do have a serious work ethic.
Dance

[phat9]

and go for it, just like you said. Bib refers to this as "ripping" it, though he does not like to get too specific for fear an overaxious member might overdo it and injure himself.

The Hubbard method probably works fine for the average person on this forum , who is either a fast or average gainer. You and I are notoriously slow gainers.

Our ligs just don't pop and stretch like the others, and there is not a damn thing we can do about it except stretch as much as we can with the maximum resistance. Lite hanging can and does work for some, but not for me, not at all, unfortunately, because I should have much more to show for what I have done than I do. I cannot guarantee you this will work either, but I CAN guaratee you that if you spend upwards of 5 hours a day or more (I know, it's impossible), you WILL see good results. I can say the same for me. A couple of hours here and there every day or so will not work for you and me. That goes for hanging as well as jelquing. That is just the way it is. We have to rip it and stretch it as hard as it can stand.

Oh, BTW, don't worry about the "electric." It might take a while. It does not necessarily come quickly, and it was months before I got the classic electric fatigue. You will be so small and shriveled that you will wonder what is wrong. It is unmistakable. Not feeling electric is a sign that you are stretching the ligs but not enough to break down the bonds in the classic mode of breaking lig bonds. I know you are tired of hearing it, but you ARE making progress now, as compared to when you were not ripping it. When ligs tear as bonds are broken, you will feel it, but even it you don't your body is being worked on, paving the way for the breaks later on. Eventually, something has to give as you move up in weight. Something tells me that you will begin to break bonds at the 15-17 pound mark. Bib told me that most of his gains came in the 15-17 pound range.

[Dance]

Well as usual you did not steer me wrong. I was amazed that I could handle the max at the beginning. All of these changes continue to increase the odds that I may grow. I can see doing it the other way and with the foam was really going to take forever and may not have even worked. I will continue to increase as much as I can, and the only modification I see is the new Bib hanger (the "real" one from Bib that we all have been waiting for).
Dance