Vasoderm

Anybody ever use this stuff ? did it work or is it just another rip off ?

[phat9]

But the damn stuff works pretty good, though it's very thick and gummy.

The first time it did not work but there was a good reason. The next 5 times were extraordinary.

As you know, I am always trying such stuff and this works much better than I had thought. The only problem is that it is so expensive. I use it now for my pumping lube.
It is cheaper than using Viagra and works OK. I will incorporate it in my occasional jelqing to supplement pumping and hanging.

I had tried previously to mix the L Arginine powder in capsules with oil and rub it on but it didn't work, but this stuff has Arginine HCL, which obvioiusly works for me.

It wears off though unless you use a large amount, which can get costly.

[Dance]

This is the first I have heard of it. I am going to do some research.

so Phat !! u find this stuff helps u maintain an erection during jelquing etc ?

Whats the difference between L-arginine with and without the HCL attached ? and Idea ?

thanx GBB ! :-)

[Dance]

Well I did some research on the web and this stuff does sound very interesting. I am going to get some. I mean I am already putting on all kinds of stuff anyway since I beat the hell out of my penis and need E and other herbs such as arnica to sooth and repair. I might as well put this stuff on and get other benefits as well. It seems as if there are some PE possibilities here as well. I mean after the PE, or as you say Phat in the jelqing and pumping.

Anyway, so do tell Phat please, what is your experience? I mean you say it works outstanding so what happens? I mean you get an erection after putting it on? This might be the perfect stuff to put on for me modeling. I mean if I can control my erections but also increase the blood flow I might actually hang longer flaccid. I mean how does it differ from Viagra. I am sure it can't be as powerful.

soon as i read the ingediants i new it would work although i dont understand how localizing it to your penis would make it any beter than taking it orally. i would think it has to go through all the chemical proccesses like any other supplement but ill definetly try it. i take yohimbe and ginko 45 min before jelqing to maintain proper size and it works great comparable to viagra but id like to eliminate the yohimbe, so ill try it.

hey phat how long does it seem to work, the site i seen says 9 drops 45 min. before sex, whats your finding and how long does it last before you need to reaply.




nikki

[phat9]

gottabe: I have no idea why this works so f*** great and the other is a dud, for me anyway.
There must be a BIG difference in Arginine HCL and the compound in the capsules. I can take up to 10 grams of Arginine in a capsule and it does nothing for me. But, put on this Vasoderm, and within minutes I'm pretty good and hard. Go figure.

Dance2: I wondered (hahahaha, hehehe) how long it would be before you were on this string doing a web search. If I say it works, it works. It might work better on old coggers like me who have declined in erectile ability, I dunno, but it sure as hell works.

Someone asked about jelquing. I have not used it yet, but yes, for what little I jelq now, I will use it with lube on top. Vasoderm is very sticky quickly and smells just terrible.

One thing I'm learning is that if it smells and tastes awful, it probably works.

I used this stuff last nite after a fairly intense pumping session after a hot soak, and I was able to get a good hard after an hour, just like on Viagra, only this hard was slightly better. I was about 10 inches around at the base, maybe a bit less than Viagra at 9.5, but it was a cucumber. I think I can fuck better with the Vasoderm after about two to three 15 minute sessions, however.

I wondered when someone was going to ask about this stuff.

[phat9]

It takes me much more than 9 drops, and hell, I just keep plopping it on there. You are younger and will not need so much.

I have no idea why this works so much better than oral Arginine, no idea at all. Tai Chai is correct that it takes over a dozen Arginine pills to have much effect at all, and it is still no where near this Vasoderm stuff.........which makes no sense at all.

[Dance]

Man I can't believe you held out on us :( OK OK you want babes come to chicago just don't hold out any more. lol

[Dance]

Phat,
What do you mean after 2 or 3 15 minute sessions? Or are you refering to pumping here.

[phat9]

Holding out, huh? LOL, I can't let you young guys get ahead of me.


Seriously, yes, that was 3 15 PUMPING sessions, not hanging. LOL, DO NOT, repeat, do NOT do this while hanging or else you will end up in the emergency room one day like forgedcrank. This is only for pumping and jelquing.

You never know what ole Phat has next up his sleeve.

The previous night I went 4 15 meniute sessions, and though I got even bigger around (I use a huge tube, which is probably TOO wide), it was less "useable" afterward.

I must pump the weeks I keep my daughter because hanging takes too much time and setup. So right now I am sort of pumping one week and hanging the next, though I've had lots of company come by to disrupt the routine.

I'm not ready to claim any girth gains yet, but it just may be a little for my by the end of summer. I only need a small bit of permanent, but my base seems to have grown a bit, relative to midshaft. It looks OK with an erection.

[Dance]

Yeah that was a stupid question. Of course not with hanging. I was not thinking right and was curious that maybe the veromax application was some sort of session, but was pretty sure you meant pumping. So do you put it on before or after or during. Anyway I ordered the stuff and am damm exited about the opportunities. I am so tired of getting headaches from Viagra and never use yohombe anymore cause of the side effects. Anyway, I am real exited about the different possibilities such as putting it on and pumping and then going to class. If I get the dosage and time right then I can be in class soon afterwards but long enough for the stuff to wear off. Also of course putting it on after pumping for show to the babes etc lol. Additionaly it seem it would be good afterwards just as an overall treatment to aid in PE. I can't wait till it gets here. The pharmacist said that the first time it usually does not work well but later it starts working which goes along with your experience.

P.S. I aint tellen anybody shit about this stuff either lol

Knowing that the ingredients can change depending on the manufacturer. Can you tell us where you purchased the vasoderm that seems work so well?

Thanks

[phat9]

Dance2 (I'm laughing), you obviously must put it on BEFORE you pump.

Since I'm an old fart, I reapply between sessions to get blood flowing, and I can feel a difference in the pump vacuum. I think it might not be as good for you youngers guys.

Like you, I just love this opportunity to avoid expensive Viagra and dangerous Yohimbe. If it doesn't work as well for you, it's got to be age.

As far as putting it on before displaying your naked body to all the Chicago girls, it is so sticky and yucky that I don't know about that. After a minute, it's almost like sandpaper. They advertise it as a lubricant, but it's only like that for a few seconds before it gums up. I rub up and down the shaft pretty hard to force it in the pores. The label says wait one hour but it works i
n minutes on me.

Hmmmmmmm, that's VERY interesting what the pharmasist said. I feel better about it. The circumstances under which I tried it (couldn't wait) were not good at all.

As to not telling anyone, it's all over the board, and every time a new "customer' pays the price is likely to go up for me.

I wonder what those Chicago babes would say about "me." hehehehe

[Dance]

OK OK yes I see it was a silly question. However, I thought at one time you were saying you took Viagra at the end of the session to hold the pumped erection longer. Then at another time you mentioned taking Viagra and then pumping. Anyway yes I get it now. Too bad about its grainy look. I was still thinking about using and pumping and then going to class. I would clean it up beforehand. The only thing that sounds like a bummer is that if I put it on then I have to clean it up before I put on shorts? You know if you want to walk around showing it off. And yeah just kidding about not telling anyone. lol

[phat9]

I experimented with Viagra and pumping both ways, before and after, and before is the way to go. It gets me TOO thick, however, and I blow up so big it put a lot of fluid in there.

As far as using it and going to class, I guess you could. It is so terribly sticky and uncomfortable though, and you would NOT want to wash it off. I cannot imagine wearing it under clothes. Like I said, things that work well (except Viagra) taste and smell bad or hve other disadvantages.

I'm not sure if you clean it up before wearing shorts that the effect is diminished. I'm sure it would be. It left a grainy brown, almost bloody stain in my pump tube last night, though it washed off easily with soap.

BTW, I've about had it with my "fat" tube and am looking into a "skinny" tube like BigBob10 advocates. My problem is getting it in there while adhering to my base, which seems to be much bigger these days, especially pumping and heavy hanging weeks.

I think u may have solved Dances problem as well as my own.

How long do u find it takes to take effect ? 20,30 minutes ?

if u remember i'm the guy that struggles with maintinaing 3/4 erections during girth type exercises. This may make all the difference to me. Im just like Dance i cant wait to try it.

But Phat u would suggest i DO NOT present my VASODERM SWABBED swollen manhood to a lady for her Oral deliberations for fear of offending her Olifactory lobes to the point of ruining the mood ??

not even a Lady from Chicago ? :-) lol

[phat9]

How about FIVE minutes.

I know it doesn't make sense, but that is my experience.

well mine is on the way.i hope it works cause i dont want to have to go back to viagra since im alergic to dairy(it has lactose in it and i get a rash on my face)wish i could get my hands on the raw ingrediants in it.


l arginine hcl does not seem to be different in anyway from l arginine except in name because my nitrice boosting supplements such as trac by mhp has 4 grams of l arginine as its booster.

has anyone here tried a large dose of ginseng also check out tribestan.com if you want to blow bigger loads!

nikki

Phat !! one more question if i may ?

Have u ever taken Vasoderm and Intimax at the same time ?

:-)

[Dance]

Well you popped my balloon :( I was hoping to put it on and then after a while wipe it off and wear clothes, you know walk around and show it off. But you are saying it is not really going to work that way. So you think it will wear off and only works when the stuff is on? Well I will have to experiment and see when it gets here.