Gains from short, intense sessions

Anyone had gains from short, intense sessions -- of say 15 minutes - instead of the usual 45 or so? We had a string about this awhile back, wondering if there was any relation to High Intensity Training -- hit it short and hard, stress fully, and get just as much out of it as going on for another hour . . .

[UIShrike]

Hi Dangleboy!!

Well, on the current program that I am, my PE workouts last a maximum of 35 mins. and I workout about 3-5 times a week. I've had good gains with it, and I believe that intensity is superior to duration of exercise. At least this has been my experience!

Like for instance, to increase the intensity of the workouts, you can slow the rep speed in jelquing (ex: 5-8 secs per stroke instead of the normal 2-3 secs), you can increase the time per rep with stretching (instead of stretching for one second you can try 3-4 secs.), etc, etc. You get the point. :)

But like with HIT (High Intensity Training - Strength Training/Bodybuilding), when you increase the intensity of the workouts, you have to decrease the duration, or else it will be counterproductive, and the chances of injury get high.

Just my opinion on the subject, based on my personal experience.

PEace,

UIShrike

Funny you should say jelqs longer in duration equals intense. I find it to be just the opposite.

For me, one jelq lasts for one second, two max. During that time, I put some serious pressure on the member by squeezing as hard as possible. I dry jelq (basically, apart from some oil or lotion for the well- being of the skin) and I'm uncut so this "killer grip" suits for me as my hand doesn't slide over the skin as I believe it does with cut guys.

Just ended one session, 1500 jelqs in 45 minutes.

For the first 500 close to 1 second per jelq, start with light pressure and build it up as the member gets used to it. There's no way I could start up with the grip I use at the end, I'd hurt way too much.

For the next 300-400, try to remain a rhythm, one jelq takes approx. 1 to 1.5 seconds (I doubt I hit full 2 seconds other than occasionally) and use lots of pressure. At this point jelqing feels incomfortable, almost painful.

For the next 100-200, slow down but keep the hand in motion all the time, should equal to 1.5-2.0 seconds, mostly in the 1.5 second range per jelq. Use full force. If my erection stays in the range of 60% to 80%, it's not painful but if it goes above that, I've got to pause until it fades.

This is the point where I might stop if I've got something else to do. If I have the time,

Do 500 quick jelqs (max. 1 second) as the partial erection fades, don't bother getting it up if it goes flaccid. Just finish it up.

I don't find the last five hundred jelqs to be necessary. I've been doing the 1000 jelq routine for all of 2001 now and gained results of "0.009 per hour. There's some doubt if the pause of several months contributed to these gains, but I'll take a measure somewhere around June to see how much I've gained now that I've been fairly consistent with my PE sessions.

So, to sum it all up, for me intense means just that, intense. A compact routine with maximal force applied.

[UIShrike]

Hi Sixrod!

I too am uncut, but unlike you, I jelq with baby oil. Dry jelquing just makes my skin too irritated, but the feel you get is probably better, I think. One other problem with dry jelquing, for me, is that my member is getting to big to dry jelq, that is, I can't reach the head, because I start to stretch the skin too much. Well, but I'm drifting from the subject :)

I think the bottom line in this intensity stuff is what you said very well at the end of your post "So, to sum it all up, for me intense means just that, intense. A compact routine with maximal force applied." It all depends on the person, and here is were personal experimentation has to occur. Everyone is different, and everyone responds differently to the same stimulus. I sure couldn't stand doing 1000 jelqs per session, and believe me, I tried this in the past. The only gains I had were sore hands :) But if it is working for you great! You just have to discover what works best!

My suggestion to you is: try a couple of workouts doing only 100-200 jelqs with 5 secs each rep. Then tell me if you felt different from your normal routine! This happened to me, so it might happen to you, I don't know, just sugesting :)

PEace,

UIShrike

[phat9]

I like all three of you guys and I follow your posts carefully. I am for the most part admittedly "jealous" of you all, hahahaha. Really now, all three of you are such FAST gainers, who cares. Appreciate your good fortuine at having your given "genetics" and keep on working. More is almost always better in PE, I really believe that, but for you three it's not as important as to the average.

It's irrelevant here to my way of thinking, and the issue you are discussing is not germane if you are a "fast" gainer, i.e., in the .009 plus per hour category. Uli, you are OFF the board man, I cannot believe it.

If you gain THAT fast, any of you will get gains, almost no matter what technique or intensity you apply. If I or say, Dance2, had put in the same effort you guys had, we'd both have ZERO gains. This "effort" thing, whether you break it down into hours or intensity of force applied, is a "multiplicative" factor "up to a point", but that threshold point is something we don't know yet and it varies so much per individual that we have no hard and fast rule of thumb, not even an approximate one , yet ya'll seem to be looking for one. I don't really have a point here, except that the issue of effort versus intenisty is so variable that it cannot be pushed into a round container.

I am convinced that "genetically" there is as much difference between men, going into PE with the very SAME effort/intensity/commitment, as there is between ants, worms, fish, deer, men, and gasoline.......the differences are vast and infinite. That is what confounds PE sites who advertise "average" gains. I am beginning to uncover a success rate (some measurable gain per hour) of somewhere between 94% (low end) to 98% of men. That leave between two and six percent of guys who may never ever have one millimeter of gain. But even there, we don't know, because their threshold just may be so high that they "give up" before "breaking through" the ligament resistance threshold.
Keep working and tell us what happens.

You guys, IMO, have GREAT genetics and that is the key for your results. Thus, gains for you per unit of time/intensity put in is far greater than the average bloke here.

I wish I could take Uli's DNA and superimpose the penis code onto mine.......hahaha, just joking. Nothing to do Wednesday morn and I'm bored.

Phat: I have had ZERO girth gains, and that is unfortunately what I really need. I am just hoping against hope that since I find it hard to give up 45 minutes 5 days a week to jelquing, I will mysteriously get gains by doing hard, 15 minute sessions.

Also, I lost some of my earlier reported gains during a month or so off recently; so I attribute some of the gains to better penile health (stronger, fuller erections) that I was getting from all the jelquing, and not to an actual increase in length/mass.

I plan to stop stretching and just try these shorter, more intense sessions for awhile.

[UIShrike]

Hi Phat8!!

Well, you keep calling me UliStrike :) It's not a bad name, but my alias is UIShrike (from the Dan Simmons saga "Hyperion"). But if you want to call me UliStrike, no problem here, it's a cool name ;)

Now to the point of my reply. I want to keep something straight here: I only started having this great gains per hour when I started using Big Al's program. Previously, when using Brandon Reece's site and workouts based on jelquing, stretching/hanguing with the directions of this boards, these workouts were never shorter than 1.5 hrs! And I usually worked out 3-4 times per week. I had good gains, nothing wrong there, gained 1.8 cm (0.71") in erect length and 0.8 cm (0.33") in erect girth, in about 7 months (~5 months of actual PE work). This are not bad gains, but if I were to do the gains per hour math (and I can't because I didn't keep accurate logs back then), it would be much lower than it is now! Now, in 6 months of PE with BA's site (only about 4 months of actual PE work) I gained 1.2 cm (0.46") in erect length and 0.8 cm (0.33") in erect girth. All this in less months, 1/3 (or even 1/4) of the time spent working out. There is no magic here, the numbers don't lie :)

And this is exactly my point! I only started having the greatest gains of my life after aplying short and intense workouts, instead of the normal long ones. But this has been my experience, and has you said, and I also stated it earlier, it all depends from individual to individual! We're all different, and something that works for me might not work for the next guy, although I honestly believe that the principles are true and correct for almost everyone: short and intense is better than long and mildly intense. But this is IMHO.

Hope I've clarified my point of view.

PEace,

UIShrike

Hi phat8,

1st of all, thanks for your words.

Like I said before, I'm hesitant to say I'm really that fast a gainer. I would suppose the circumstances were considerably different from that of the more consistent, veteran PEers:

- I had a long break that allowed my ligs to "relax" before I started shocking them again.

- As someone mentioned, part of the gains might just be seen as "penile fitness" , or that I gain a few millimeters just by having a better erection than before.

- Genetics could play a big part, I give you that. When I started bodybuilding three years ago, I went past my training partners (who had like two years experience when I just started) in a couple of months. So it would seem I have a physique that responds fairly well to exercise. Besides, I was more of a computer geek until my very late teens, so it could be a matter of "hidden potential". (I'm mid 20s now, in case you're wondering)

What I'm really curious about is how a period of consistent training affects my results.

Thought of the day: Now that I know it's possible, I doubt I'll ever leave PE entirely. Even if I took a break for several years, I'd still come back to jelqing at some point just because I know I can.

There's a lot of people worried about the effort it takes. Of course, if you want results of 1" per year, you're going to have to work hard. Me, I just want to be 8" NBP by my 30th birthday.

Think long term.

I started the PE thing on February 8th of this year and damn happy with my short yet intense results. My workouts are day on day off, 35 to 45 minutes per workout with about 15-20 minutes of jelqing. I now have a steady 8 and sometimes 8 1/4 nbp. (mine fluctuates). Before PE mine flucuated between 7 3/4 -8. However my girth has gone from 6- 61/2. Which i hear is hard to get? But last night I was entertaining a woman and when she grabbed it she commented on the thickness. I love it and I love this forum. Thanks for the help!!Maybe ill reach 7 girth hahaha. So not sure if i gained length yet but somehow gained alot of girth.

[phat9]

SHOWTIME: I like your "range" description of NBP size, as mine seems to vary even MORE, no matter how hard I get. What you say is relevant because there is no "one" size except maybe for shorter ones on "younger" guys. You are about my size, give or take, but I have bone pressed at as high as 9 1/4 and as low as 8.5. I got a consistent NBP of 8.25 last week, and girth between 7 and 7.2, but I was somewhat stressed and fatigued. The fact of the matter is I don't know my exact size because I cannot remember exactly "how" I pressed the ruler at the start of PE, but I am longer now NBP than BP at the start. That bothers me, but I might have even "fudged" it a bit, so my gains estimation may be on the low side.

Are you not sure of length gains because of the extreme ranges? I know how you feel, but it appears to me that you have a legitimate 1/4 inch gain there. That's excellent for the very short amount of time and effort that you have put in. You don't give me total HOURS worked, however. Do you have a good ballpark estimate? I can tell you if you are a fast gainer or not (see my Phat Scale in previous posts).
On girth, congratulations. Again, I don't know if I've gained or not, though there are fleeting times when I have. 6.5 is about the point where you separate the men from th boys, however, and you don't say if that is your midshaft or widest point. Again, I vary so darn much, I don't know what to call myself. I am usually 7 at the base but it depends too (about 2 1/4 across). To women, that is "beer" can size, though technically it is not. If I pull out the least bit when getting hard, I can get 4 inches (!) across and when pumping I easily inflate to ten inches, huge. But, it is not permanent. I think the only girth gain I have gotten is maybe 1/4-1/2 at the very base but I don't count that though maybe I should.



SIXROD: You are absolutely 100% correct about the "penile health" factor and we have written extensively about it. I gained some (2/8s) fairly fast myself, but there is NO DOUBT that that gain was not "new" size, but rather getting back to where I used to have been. It was obvious from photos I had lost some, and dicks can shink up to SEVENTEEN PERCENT. PE can reverse that, as can HgH "injections", which I cannot afford.

I think MUCH of the initital HUGE gains by some can be attributed to increased penile health, getting more out of what you already have, but then again, an increase on the ruler is an increase.

I also agree about "resting" and erectile length (NOT girth). Breaks seem to affect my ease and ability to stretch out with an erection. One time with my GF this past spring, it seemed unusually long (beyond 9) and effortlessly so, though I did not have a ruler. It has not seemed as large since. That was after what is for me a long break. I have a hard time stopping and taking breaks. I dunno, but if I lay off PE long enough (week plus) to get a sort of spongy "resilience" to my cock, I seem for some reason, no idea why, to get longer. And, it takes some time, two weeks or more, for gains to occur after a "tear" has been made. I am not resting much at all now, alternating weeks pumping and hanging.

Your goal of 1 inch per year is high, but good. I really wish I could go back to see how and/or just remember exactly how I got my first BP measurements, which BTW were on Viagra because my penile health was shot, literally. I may have gained a whole inch or almost one, or maybe 6/8 inch, or maybe even 1.1 inches. I have no idea right now. I can "engineer" a 1.1 inch gain, but I don't trust it. I put in over 500 hours, however, maybe as much as 700. I quit keeping record, so I really don't know what I've done. I have "ruler anxiety" bad, to boot.

I don't want to ever leave this either, but I don't know how much I can devote when I remarry. I am SURE I'll do "maintainence" work, but as far as current intensity, I doubt it. I started big, so I'm not as goal oriented. I think if all goes well, at the end of about two years, I can get a legitimate 9" NBP. I am so close, and that should be doable, but that is going to take another 500 hours of effort, man alive. My genetics are not good, which is strange since I was born with a "big" one. Initial size is not much of a factor it seems. Genetics means internal lig structure, etc.

Hey Phat: earlier in this thread you said you were jealous of my fast gains.

I'd be jelquing for 800 years to try to get the nine inch beer can you're packing now. You dog!

When I figure out how many hours I would have to say around 22 hours of PE. I agree with size range! The girl I was with wanted to measure me because she said her last boy was 9. When we measured I was about 9 but I was Bone pressed. I went nuts. As for my girth i am a steady 6 1/2 from base till the head. I have what girls call a perfect looking penis, in that it doesnt shape weird or anything. I am definitely lovin PE. PHAT what must you have in order to be a fast gainer. Am I in that category?

phat8,

I think the penile health issue might not be that big a factor. Of course it's affected some, but I for one have always had very good erections, I'm 24 and having done PE, was in moderate shape already. My estimate would be that maybe I've gained a few mm from it, but not more.

I think my gains were more due to the long rest period and maybe a good routine (that suits me) to start with.

BTW I have the very same suspicions about measuring... I have a plastic ruler and ever since me starting PE, I've measured the same way: Put the ruler so it can't slip between the pubic bone and the shaft, and press my penis against the ruler that must remain straight and level.

Even so, I have a nagging feeling in my head that I've cheated somewhere. It might be just the human nature of "this can't be true" , or at least I hope so. For the first time, though, I really noticed there was some visual change in my penis, so +0.25" it is, I just have to accept it.

Now that you guys are my witnesses, I can say that there's absolutely no way I can measure longer than 16.2 cm (6.38" , I made a conversion error earlier *sigh* that cost me some... ) so when I get back bragging about my 16.5 cm EBP penis, I deserve a pat on the back. :)

You got me wrong on the 1" per year issue. What I tried to say was that for those guys who want results like that, it's tough, mentally and physically. I just want the 2" EBP during the next 5 years or so, so I'm pretty relaxed.

Again: Think long term. Otherwise you'll just burn yourselves out and what good is a 10" when your GF has walked out the door?

Many of you guys seem to be confirming what I said in my earlier posts. Short intense sessions may be the key to quick gains. The research indicated long-term stress causes connective tissue to thicken and stiffen. One could gain this way but it would take a lot of time...but some have made great progress that way. I grew 1.25" in 3 months. That is 12 weeks at about 1-2 hours per week. So a maximum of 24 hours gave 1.25". That is what... .05" per hour. BUT I have reached a plateau and am no longer gaining. However I am not regaining what I lost. I was never close to 7.5". I think it may have something to do with aga. I am in my mid 50's. As one ages one's connective tissue begins to break down. That is why we sag and wrinkle as we age. Penile cartilage stretches more easily and remains stretched. That may be why some older guys hang longer when flacid. The penis has lost its "spring." Any older guys been fast gainers?

I started this routine about fives weeks ago, but I am really lazy, and usually jelq no more than 20 minutes, and often take four or five days off at a time. Still, I have gained about 1/2 inch in that interval, with obvious girth gains as well. I have to attribute this the slow and intense strokes I use. I notice much more of a gain when I squeeze the crap out it for a short workout as opposed toa longer less intense one. I know I just started on this, but I have to endorse brief and intense workouts. I am also still young (26), so maybe that somehow plays into things.

Right from the start in early January 2001 I used a short and intense routine. I hot wrap (hot wet face cloth covered by thin plastic sheet with an electric heating pad on top) for 10 minutes, stretch for about 5 minutes and jelq for another 10 – 15 minutes morning and evening each day for 5 days on and 2 off (weekends). Each jelq (OK palm down) takes about 8 to 10 seconds and I usually incorporate an added stretch at the end of every 3 jelq. I apply a lot of pressure to each squeeze so the trapped blood is forced up the length to the head. When the pressue is too great I ease off a little as to not cause damage.

In the last 10 days (since 7UP discussed the V-stretch) I have added this as well. One thing for sure is that I can now really feel the ligs more. I know this routine (intense concept) works for me as I have gained .75 inches in length since I started and that cannot be all penis health. I to am in my mid fifties and as 7UP quoted “As one ages one's connective tissue begins to break down” might be the reason. If so maybe, just maybe, there is an advantage to getting older.

My goal was to attain 7.5 inches EBP and 6 inches EG by the end of this year. It now seems likely that I may reach that goal before years end and yes I have probably the most positive attitude as anyone on this site that PE really works. As my kids would say, THIS BOARD ROCKS!

Thanks everyone.

PS I started at EBP 5.5 Inches.

Phat8 and showtime - Just curious but why are you doing PE? 9 x 6.5...8 x 7....? I mean I'm just curious cause that's fucking huge already. I'm 7 x 5 (would like to get 8x6) and judging from the girls I've been with, I could imagine that you are already too big to be comfortable for most women as is, let alone even bigger. I mean shit man 7" girth!?? 10" after a PE workout!! I took out my tape measure to see what that would look like and that's friggin circus material dude! Do the chicks you bang ever complain that it's painful? Also, wondering about your ethnicity and actual height/body size, wondering what type of guys are born with horse cocks like that :)

Anoymous,

I am 20 years old, 5'11, 145 lbs. Damn scrawny!!haha. It makes my dick look bigger. I actually wanted to start this to make my erections stronger, and i figured whats a lil gain in the enlargement department, I really don't care much about length but i would like to be 7 inches girth. Something girls always tell me is how quick they come when a dick is fat. I have always wanted to be girthed huge. My race is white by the way witha scotish backround. I have an issue with penis size though. Out of my 5 good friends all are above 7 inches with my one buddy topping out at a whopping 10 by 7. He is also white! My 2 black friends are around 8. So I do not have a clue. Yet when i talk to girls most tell me that the biggest they have been with is 7-8 yet they are never long and thick, its one or the other!They do tell me however though that they agree the avg size is 5.5 becuz they say they usually deal with that. So I dont believe in penis size and its relation to race height etc. You get dealt with your deck but thanks to PE we can all rig the deck hahahaha.