Okay, once and for all....

I will be answering an often asked question. Will Testosterone help PE? Lets just say for the next 10 weeks my Test levels will be "VERY HIGH", so at least for my own self we'll see if anything else starts to grow. The routine I will be using is the same as I have been using, I want to keep this test as honest as possible. It will be Hanging 2 days on/1 day off for an hour at 10lbs, Jelqing 30-45 minutes 4-5 days a week and manual stretching whenever possible. I'll give you guys updates either way, whether growth comes or not.

[Stillwantmore22]

Well honestly I do not think a good steroid cycle will make much if ANY impact on your PE gains. More than testosterone comes into play for penis growth during puberty. Mainly yet to be medically pinpointed hormones. I assume your original intent for the juice is body building. Good luck been there done that. Found out later on the emotional rollercoaster wasnt worth it....also psychologically (sp??) unhealthy for me at least. (Gawdammit i lost a pound! or shiiiit i missed a meal...or damn i still look small...) Anyway good luck.

the key component would be to add growth hormone. the name says it all! growth hormone is known to give more of a permanent muscular(cellular) growth in the bodybuilding comunity im considering it myself when i can afford it but a good cost alternative is oral secretague by mhp taken at bedtime and upon wakeing $140.00 for a month supply at the vitamin shoppe usually, take it one month on one month off because independant test show after 25 days its efectiveness decreases dramatically.
nikki

Not to stir up any fighting here on the board but.....

1. I have been using steroids on and off for almost 20 years, the only reason I dont have the answer if it helps with PE is I just started to do PE.

2. As for the "Whole emotional roller coaster thing", you either used too much or had underlying problems before the gear, dont blame them thats a cop out. Incidently I have competed and done very well in Body Building over the years, gear is a subject I could lecture on all day.

3. THOSE GH CONCOCTIONS ARE A WASTE OF MONEY. I've seen just as many reports they dont work as that they do work. The only ones that say they work are the paid advertisements. Even Flex magazine is saying their garbage. Only supplement worth a damn right now for GH release is Glutamine, and maybe some other amino acids like arginine. BTW, GH by itself isn't very anabolic at all, only when its combined with Test does it start to make a difference (I'm talking body building wise here, not immune system, etc.).

4. Damn guys cut me some slack, this question(does Test help PE) comes up every few weeks and I thought I was doing the guys a favor by running my own little experiment.

[titanium30]

Fill us in on the results! My thought is that if they did help, they would have already. Roids promote lots of rock hard erections and if that plus the test doesn't increase the penis size of it's own, I'm not sure that it can. So I am sceptical, but would like to hear from you. I do know that some folks claim steroids result in the abnormal formation of connective tissue regeneration, apparently the collagen laid down by the body, is in an altered form when under the influence of heavy steroids. Not convinced it's detrimental, as men are in pretty well every way physically superior to our lovely ladies. Our skin, blood vessels, everything is thicker and tougher. Doesn't make us live longer under civilized conditions of low physical demand, but sure did when we had to run and fight for our lives as primatives. Boy, did i digress!

titanium

several weeks ago i posted the end results after an 8 week cycle of Winstrol... the largest dosage used was around 400mg per week... and as Wannabebbigger can tell you that verry small...

my gains had pretty much stoped after an initial increase of 1.3 inches of length gain in 5 months... after the cycle i had clearly started gaining again...

the whole purpose behind the test was to see if the possible and common sideffect of winstrol could aid me in my lenght gain goals...

that side effect is often sliped joints, and loosened ligs... winstrol besides its mild anabolic properties loosens the colagen sheeth around muscle cells...

i havent done any heavy test cycles since i have been on PE, but i "Theorize" that since there is some muscle tissue in the penis that along with PE a test cycle may in fact aid in a PE routine...
Wannabebigger please keep us updated on your results...

on a final note unrelated to PE, i find it verry humorous and interesting how nuts people go when mentoning Testestorone or senthetic Anabolics... people i know personally will brag about the fact that they sit and drink a case of beer, smoke weed, or even snort coke but if someone mentions doing a Steroid Cycle your treated like a nut or scum of the earth...

forget the media "feminist" hype... Testestorone is not a monster drug no more than alcohol or marijuana... test is what makes men into men... granted any cycle should only be done by those educated in the proper use of any drug, and how to taper etc...

any of you guys members at the UG or 'Gade? ive been a member for about 3 years...as long as ive used steroids... they are one of my passions...

peace

As far as penis growth is concerned, I think that DHT would be more 'effective' than testosterone. From everything that I've read, DHT is more responsible for male characteristics - it's more androgenic. The problem with this is that it would also have the tendency to enlarge your prostate and, if you're predisposed, make you lose your hair.

For PE, I think Proviron would be a good one to take. The main ones to avoid would be the nandrolones (ie Deca Durabolin).

My question (which I've asked before) is...Why would steriods make a woman's clit grow after puberty but not a guy's penis? It doesn't seem fair to me...

again the only hormone that will give you new cells is gh, all your testosterones increase existing muscle cells size until you stop taking them,

take a look at a supplement called trans d tropin this stuff works but i had to stop taking it cause of interference with a med im on.

[titanium30]

That's an interesting observation about the clitoris growth due to post pubescent exposure to androgens. Since men are circulating testosterone for most of our lives, but our penis tends not to keep growing (or does it a little?), perhaps the testosterone is a growth initiator that triggers the penis to grow to it's genetically programmed length. We all experience growth hormone after puberty, but only the tips of our noses and ears keep growing (perhaps some other parts, but if you see my point). There may be a limit on natural growth that is reached thru exposure to androgens, gh and that women having never had enough androgens in their body to trigger that growth, will experience enlargement when taking anabolic steroids (proven side effect) as it is their first strong exposure. Kinda like a seed not sprouting till it's watered. It needs water, but more doesnt' make the tree grow any larger. All theory aside, I hope I am wrong that it wont have any anabolic effect on the penis. I would tend more towards the previous post that anabolics can have effects on connective tissue constituents such as collagen and make aid in the stretching and recovery from pe.

titanium

Some of you have misunderstood my intention here. I'm not out to prove anabolics create growth on their own, I know for a fact they dont as I have done them before without any growth down there. What I want to see is if they, along with a good PE routine, will produce growth. Remember, steroids wont make muscle grow without weight lifting either, there needs to be some kind of "working" of the muscle to promote growth. As for the DHT thig, well most steroids, as a by product raise DHT levels also so maybe growth will come through that mechanism.

Anabolex, I couldn't agree more. Every time someone mentions steroids everyone cries wolf. Blame that on irresposible journalism. I missed your earlier posts about your Winny experiences. BTW, I'm using about 3x what you used, a good mix of Test and EQ, with Clomid.

I guess there are some who would like to know what I find out so I'll post as needed on this.

i cant stand people who are totally ignorant to steroids make judgements and conclusion... ignorance i a horrible thing...

i too would like to here the results... ill be doin the test this summer...

peace

[CONAN]

Very interesting subject! I will leave it up to the pros in this area to experiment and share results. It has been a while sice I cycled and did zero PE during the times I did cycle. From what I have read, you guys seem very smart in your approaches to cycling - if I ever do get on another cycle, I would love to seek your consultation.
I think anyone who trains and works his ass off to try and look the best he can will eventually have many questions concerning androgens/anabolics/growth etc and how it could benefit PE. Anabolex had an interesting thread on this issue - I guess what I am saying is this: There is a huge interest on this board to know what type of body enhancing compound works best for PE. Please keep us all posted on your PE gains during/after cycling! there are many of us who know the truth about the negative BS out there on the side effects of roids.

Anabolex and Conan,
No one here is making any anti-steroid comments, or
"ignorantly" spreading "negative BS" about the
supposed dangers of steroid use. I am equally tired of
chronic steroid users preaching about how safe they
are. Neither side is really painting a true picture. Nonetheless, I don't think anyone is trying to stop you
guys from discussing steroids and their possible benefits for PE, so there is no need to be so defensive.


Stalyn

TUS2001,

I'm over at UG and renegade sometimes. Have you checked out nuclear nutrition and anabolic extreme?

[CONAN]

ItalynStalyn

I apologize for any misunderstanding - I did not intend for this thread to turn into finger pointing. I think it is a subject worth exploring for those who want to explore it. I agree that there are two sides to the issue and both sides have valid points. Recklessley taking anything without guidance and knowledge is asanine for sure. The BS I was refering to was the BS heard form the general public concerning the topic of anabolics and androgens.
Having said that, I think that the guys who are knowlegable about properly cycling should not feel that everytime they post something of interest to PE that they will be shot down. Not here to offend anyone, just learn and help if I can.

Conan,
I know where your frustrations are coming from. I
have never used, but I frequent several bodybuilding
and weightlifting sites where people always try to paint things as black and white. I was just trying to point out that there shouldn't be too much of that here, this
is an amazingly open-minded forum. Good - Luck

[Stubborn]

I'm over at Anabolex a lot. I bet anabolex is over at anabolex a lot too.

well my post wasent defensive in nature but if it seemed so, no problem i dont appologize... the nature of any post of course is open to interpertation...
actually i dont see any "Drug" as either safe or dangerous... ever see the side effects on some of those meds on the TV??? :)as i say with supplements, or drugs moderation and education are the key...

anyway, interesting about the DHT comment... when i did a mild cycle of Anadrol 50, i mean "MILD" i notices temporary Phalic Enlargment... my girl friend at the time loved it... during that cycle i know i noticable longer erect than before i started... unfortunatly i hadent a clue about PE...

as Wannabe can tell you Anadrol is the king dady anabolic/androgen out there... really bad DHT conversion... maybe it was the high DHT that caused my enlargment and emmm accelerated hair loss, lol...

Peace Out fellas...

[vivace]

Anabolex, Just read 5 books (copyright 2001) about hormones etc. The notion that testosterone is the sex boost is being questioned. It looks like the bad DHT (hair loss thing) is what rules the libido and drive. Too bad!

I am taking propecia because of thinning hair. I have taken it for about 3 months now, and for about the last month and a half I have noticed that my ejaculations seem to have less volume and are more watery. Also, my sex drive has gone down and I don't get those rock hard stiffies anymore. I don't know anything about all this stuff but I think I remember reading that propecia reduces DHT levels (what ever DHT is). So do you guys think the propecia is the source of my problem? If so this suuuucks. I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. Finally I think I'm seeing some good results from the propecia and now this starts happening!

Well Vivace your only partially right. The sex drive/libido is controlled by several hormones. The reason why Testosterone is labeled as the sex hormone is because it constitutes the largest part of the "Pool". Also in there are Growth Hormone, DHT, Cortisol and Estrogen. The last two are in very minute percentages, but are never the less there. There are also a few more that escape me at this time. I'd really like to know the titles of those books you read, I'm a regular subscriber to the New England Journal Of Medicine and they have never to the best of my knowledge attributed DHT to sexual drive. Also might interest you to know that DHT is the derived through Testosterone conversion. NO TESTOSTERONE, NO DHT!!! To label DHT as the sex hormone would be as the saying goes "putting the cart before the horse".

[vivace]

You are correct sir! The cart is in front of the research horse. The only difference in your statement and my possit was that in my readings, the "current" research view is that DHT has a lot more to do with drive than they thought in the past. Which is why the DHT inhibitors reduce sex drive in some propecia users and lowered testosterone did not. I am not a scientist. I just play one on the piano.