Research: quick vs. slow tension on the penis

I am new here and I have a lot to learn. Just 3 months into serious PE and have had a fast gain of 1.25 inches. But will not try to speak with the authority of you "old timers" who have contributed so much by your commitment, experimentation, and willingness to share. And thanks again to you guys. But my science background may provide a theoretical perspective that can help us interpret some of the things we do. Most of my gain came from V-Stretches. I did some research on connective tissue and found a theoretical basis for this success. Seems that connective tissues respond to chronic (long duration) stresses by becoming thicker and tougher. But the lengthening of the penis requires that the connective tissues (ligaments and myofacial sheath of the tunica) elongate. However, short duration stresses cause breakdown in the connective tissue that is followed by repair. But unlike bone, connective tissue grows back weaker than it was before.

Putting this into perspective would seem to suggest that, although hanging (chronic stress) produces gains, it also works against us by thickening and stiffening the connective tissues we are trying to loosen. It would also suggest that shorter duration stresses like V-Stretches are working to break down the connective tissue so it can grow back weaker and lengthen.

Guys, how can we most effectively apply this? Would shorter, heavier hangs (with a good deal of v-stretches while hanging) be better than long slow hang times? Should jelqing be more intense but shorter duration? What about twisting our flacid friend to stretch all parts. MOST OF ALL - how could I apply this without damaging ole Spike? Got any insights? Then again, maybe this whole idea doesn't hold water. Any speculation?

I'm with you on the intensity one 7UP. I'm no pe vet, and in comparison to many on this board my progress has been negligable, although to me it has been very gratefully received! But I firmly believe that 30-40 minutes of intense PE exercise would be far more beneficial than 1-2 hours of lighter, less intense PE. Many people on this board theorise that tissues are broken and rebuilt during PE, much akin to the processes that undergo when someone goes to the gym and trains intensely.

Therefore, I think it seems most rational to apply the same principles that a professional bodybuilder would use to PE (bar stereoids). And that means training intensely for short periods, followed with a day of rest. It has been proven that for muscle fibres this is the most effective way of gaining muscle. Why should it be so different for PE?

7up the twisting is an interesting one . an old chinese exercise for penis health involves grasping the penis with both hands and giving it a "chinese burn" as we say in england . ie one hand goes clockwise one anti clockwise. i incorporate this into my PE as an add on good luck .still enjoying the v stretches!!!

[CONAN]

Trying the V-stretches - thanks 7 UP!

7up,
I am not sure if your reasoning is necessarily correct, but it certainly echoes my experience. My best "post PE pumps" have been after short intense stretching. Just the other night, I hung 15lbs. for 30 minutes, while incorporating V-stretches, and my ligs were FAR more fatigued than when I used to do 10lbs. for 3 sets of 20 min. I am afraid I have done my fair share of strengthening the tissue though, no matter how hard I jelq, I can't get any swelling whatsoever anymore. I know it isn't really
good to have swelling, but it was good psychologically
to have it be that big. Later,
Stalyn

[titanium30]

I am observing that there is very little elasticity to the connective tissue after it is pulled out to full lenght. I can grip 180 lbs with one hand, and when I wrap my penis with something for grip and pull outward from my body with both arms (at least 30 lbs pull) there is only about 1/4" of flex that occurs during this additional application of force after the first say 5 lbs that pulls it out to full lenght. Damn, those ligaments are strong, and seem to run from the pubic bone all the way to the base of the head.

Not sure what is happending when I enduce that extra 1/4 of stretch with a mighty pull. Cant hold it for longer than about 30 seconds with the tight grip necessary. That's short and intense. Will have to see what results I get from this mixed bag of techniques I am trying.

titanium

7UP: This is what I believe too, and for some of the same reasons. I have some body building background (w/o steroids) and short+ intense is definitely the way to go. The question would be: Does this apply to tissue other than muscle?

I've been doing fairly short but extremely intense jelqing sessions for the first quarter of the year (see my post in personal routines section, "unorthodox..." ) and it seems my gains of 0.25" in approx. 3 months makes around 0.009" per hour (approx. 3h per week) which would put me in the "super fast gainer" category, according to phat8.

There are some factors to consider (me doing a bad approximation of hours spent PEing, end of 2K gave the ligs some time to soften etc.) but I still believe we have evidence to support short and intense PE sessions.

FYI: I'm always sweating heavily after my jelqing sessions, like after a good warm- up at the gym. Considering the amount of actual muscle work included (sitting down, just using my arms doing a *sigh* short motion back and forth) I believe this is what I would call _intense_.

If you do 100-300 quick hard jerks at a time on the unit, it seems to be felt in the abdomen. Hold your nuts when you do this. Also what is the feeling I get from hard pulls? The sensation comes from the butt cheeks, do the ligs travel around to that area? thanks mvr

Just how long do you apply the v-stretch? How many reps do you do at one time/per day? As another poster pointed out, I've been trying this, but have been applying most of the pressure close to the base - I'm assuming the lig attachment area would be the best stretched. Besides, being short, it is easier to press there as my grip hand gets in the way of other areas along the shaft. But once again, I'm very curious about your routine intensity. Thanks!

mvr:

"If you do 100-300 quick hard jerks at a time on the unit, it seems to be felt in the abdomen."

Hmm, well not for me. I feel jelqs exactly where I should, in the ligaments and the shaft. It might be you're doing something quite a bit different. BTW I'm uncut and always dry jelq (well, I use some oil for the well- being of the skin, but it's not for lubricant) so I don't pull the skin, I squeeze the shaft and the shaft is what pulls the ligs.

By quick hard jerks, do you really mean a very quick tug on the member? I'm talking about normal jelqing, but in the range of 1-1.5s per jelq instead of the 3-5s per jelq so often recommended here.

[Nortical]

7UP,
What are your sources for your research?
I actually believe the opposite is true. I think that you get the best ligament stretch from stretching for long periods of time.


1, Although Bib hung heavy weights, he hung for 8-10 hours per day and gained over 4" in a couple of years.

2, Thomas Kurz, the author of a book called "Stretching Scientifically", writes something like:

"You can permanentely elongate tendons and connective tissue with minimal structure weakening by long duration low-force stretch while the tissue is heated to 104+ F.
To keep the stretched state, you maintain the stretch while you let the tissue cool off".

3, Because of the body's ability to adapt, it just seems logical to me that whatever tissue is stressed hard grows back stronger to be able to cope with the stress in the future.

But I'm no expert and I think we all have to more or less find out for ourseleves what works best for us, because everyone is different.

Norti

7-UP

Sorry if this is redundant but please explain v-stretch and how to apply, duration, etc.

Thanks.