growth hormone warning!!

[dino775]

Hey Guys

After that post from a week and a half ago about growth hormone and many hours on the internet doing research I went out to GNC and paid 59.99 for a natural
oral spray that has 191 branched chain amino acids
that gets the pituitary gland to start pumping out the juice. Sounds like a load of crap right well not only did it work it worked to well I started to get severe joint pain to the point I could not walk "let me tell you I'm a 6-4 230 pound biker I don't complain about pain, this was the worst thing that ever happened to me
it's been about a week and I'm still in pain but not as bad I can almost close my hands tight, also I have had an itch all over, I went to the doctor he took bloods and said all is ok but he's a ASS. Every day I get a little better. this is a clip from a site on side effects

There has been concern that those taking stacked amino secretagogues develop the side effect of developing unhealthy amounts of cortisol in the body which doesn’t occur via oral spray. Human growth hormone has been shown in some studies to have side effects which include carpal tunnel syndrome, arthritis and edema. However, this was experienced only when high dose injections were given. Studies have shown that these side effects can be avoided by slow initial administration, proper monitoring of levels, and administration on a daily basis in what is called a "low-dose, high frequency" method. 21st Century HGH is a low dose, homeopathic preparation administered by spray under the tongue. There have been no studies showing negative side effects when HGH is administered in this manner. "BULLSHIT"

Dino

[CONAN]

What was the name of the product you were taking? It must have contained a company specific "proprietary blend"

[bona bona]

I don't know if this is similar, but I had a problem with symptoms very much like shingles after taking high doses of l-arninine. ie. rash and general joint pain.

[dino775]

Hey guys

The stuff is called H.G.H factor it's a oral spray with a combination of 191 sequenced brancd chain amino
acid made to match somotropin, it's made by Vita Plus
and sold in GNC

Bona how long before the pain went away?

Thanks
Dino

[bona bona]

3 to 4 days, rash stayed around for about 10

Hey Dino
I have read that any time these products are sold that are sprayed under the tongue that they are absorbed into the blood stream almost immediatly. You might have taken to high of a dosage, or one of the other active ingedients other than the HGH are causing the problem. I have just started taking a procuct called "GHR 15" which is HGH in powder form. I take it in a glass of Orange Juice every night and so far havn't gotten any results positive or negative. If I do have any adverse side effects I will let you know. If the product does what they claim, it will well be worth the price.
Gunslinger

sorry to burst your bubble but grouth hormone sprays have shown absoltely no rise in growth hormone in numerous studies, thier known as a scam in the bodybuilding community!oral secretaguoges show a rise in studies im currently useing my own combo of ldopa,6 caps, arginine 3 grams and 2.5 grams of lglutamine 3 times daily bed, upon waking and 4 oclock thats your natural release cycle!

nikkisixxpack! lilyannasprite is my wifes ez board moniker!

I agree they are worthless products for raising GH levels. Even with real GH you have to use alot of it for a long time to get the kind of side effects your talking about. I'm talking about 10's of thousands of dollars worth. This used to be a common problem when they derived GH from the Pituitary glands of cadaveras, but they dont make it that way anymore so those side effects are virtually gone, unless you get GH from some underground lab in Russia or something. You may have a reaction to the product, or it may be something totally unrelated to the taking of the product!!!

[CONAN]

I agree somewhat, however, whenever the ingredients list "proprietary blend" as an ingredient, you have no idea what is in this blend. Many companies are getting their products to market (under the FDA) by hiding certain ingredients. I agree that most are scams, but there are a few that can raise GH levels. Remember when GHB was sold as Blue Nitro and Renewtrient? Companies have now found a way to get around using actual GHB and hiding this in their "Proprietary blends." I agree with the above person in using Arginine, glutamine, and L-Dopa to help stimulate the pituitary gland to release minor amounts of GH (supplementing in high quantities) I am surprised that GNC would sell a product that caused these types of reactions - they are usually the ones selling useless supplements with bogus claims.

[bona bona]

Hey Conan,

where do you get l-dopa

I live in the washington dc area and have had not luck finding it. is there a brand name I should check for ?

thanks in advance bb

[dino775]

Guys

At this point I'm just happy to be feeling a lot better
I don't know if the stuff works all I know is that it fucked my shit up and I just wanted to give a warning to all the guys on this board. I did take a little more that I should have and I also did have a cut on the inside of my lip so maybe I absorbed more than I would have normally. My feeling on the whole thing and
I'm not a expert by any means, I'm 37 by the time you hit 40 the pituitary gland is down to about 40 percent of what it used to be this is not because the pituitary is old and can't make more hormones for some reason it is not being asked to, so I think this has to be totally related to the aging process and I think if you can turn back on the pituitary gland a little it's gonna slow down the aging process a little
I wasn't thinking it was going to make my dick grow or my muscles grow without working out it's just that getting old really sucks and when you get into your late 30's you start to feel it for the first time
your body starts to change your hair starts to turn gray rain drops seem to make it through to your scalp
well anyway I really thing they are on to something with this stuff and I will give it another try at a much lower dosage when I feel 100% better that's how much I don't want to feel old. under is a link to a doctor that sells it on line

www.palmnutriceutical.com/ (http://www.palmnutriceutical.com/)

Dino

Well just by reading that it has 191 different amino acids in it would tell me that product is bullsh*t there are about 140 naturally occuring aminos and only about twenty are used for protein formation and other actions in the body, secondly for the person taking hgh in powder form they bought from the store should just throw it out because i will tell u right now u could drink down all th gh u want it will be destroyed by the stomach and the liver and i garuntee there uis not one spec of growth hormone it that entire jug and for any of the others for that matter, as i have explained before l -dopa, l arginine and l ornithine are the one found to be the most potent aminos when it comes to gh release. there are others but not myuch scientific data to support there use. Any questions?

[CONAN]

BonaBona
I take the ZMASS (small amounts of L-Dopa) and Biotest products along with Argine (10-20 grams a day) sometimes add Ornithine. I have never had a hepes problem, so I do not take L-Lysine. Warning - cycle up to get to 10Grams of Arginine or you'll shit your pants. BigPlug sent the link to L-Dopa www.prosourceonline.com and it is by Americas Finest.

Hope this helps

[Stubborn]

Yep it's a scam. There are only 20 EAAs

i had good results with biotest prohormones but less with thier methoxy products. im currently useing syntrax new fuzu( i imediatly felt a surge of test type improvement) to raise my test since prohormone cycles really leave me depressed and i get loss of erection for to long of a period of time. its not gonna give you the results of prohormones but it seems pretty good. as far as bodybuilding products go syntrax has been the best ive tested!

also an article on syntrax website says the only gh products that work are nasal sprays and thier hard to find cause the fda shut that down quick, on a good note vpx has a spray supplement that came out at that time that the instructions reed spray in mouth but before the fda law it supposedly said spray in nose same ingrediants, they just reworded it.but i also didnt have much success with some of thier other products.

nikkisixxpack!

Hey everyone..I've been gone from the board for a long time, lotsa new faces-cool.....a lack of some old and familiar faces-not so cool (unless they met they're goals)


I remember HGH comming up in discussion a long time ago, and someone, I think it was phat8, was having some success....though I don't recall him speaking of any unpleasant side-effects....


I think I just read a post that said someone was taking 10 *GRAMS* of L-Arginine a day?
you cum like a gallon at a time man!? just curious, lol

[CONAN]

A gallon and a half! Actually, if I abstain from spanking my boy, I cum a lot more than normal. I think about 30 grams of zinc along with Arginine are the ticket - starting to add ginko slowly to the mix. Some people do not notice anything from Arginine, but I do (and I am a supplement skeptic) Biotest Andro should make you hornier than a unicorn at an orgy - do not know why you had trouble getting it up. I was on that stuff and had thoughts about bending the 350 LB secretary over the desk and drilling her - I was a dangerous man!
If you increase your arginine intake, do it slowly or risk walking in the office and shitting yourself.
On another note - ginko, zinc, and arginine make my dick feel fuller when flaccid.

To get a bit taller. Is there any hormone that i can take?