hey DANCE Man! I wanna be like U>>>

[Big10]

and be "BUFF" enuf to pose nude,
etc. I currently weigh 180# and
am at least 6' tall. Sounds great,
but I have a small frame, (wrist
girth is smaller than cock) My wrists
are like a woman, and I SHOULD be
very slender. I still have about 15-20#
I would like to lose, and still have at
least 1" pubic fat. If U saw my pix, U
would see a 10" FSL but 1.5" ruler
covered by pubic fat.

In short, I WANT IT ALL! 6 pack stomach
and totally buff everything. Then "BIG BOB"
will have the proper "host" body to carry
him about.

Any ideas? I would also like to lose the weight more naturally, and gain muscle too. I am not worried about
"weight" so much as "look". In fact, I'd probably look
better at 180 and LEAN than 160 with the muscle I have
now.

TIA Bud!

PS: I'd LOVE to gain that "visual" 1"+ too!
THAT would ROCK!!! It is in there!!!!!

[santos]

I know this post is directed to Dance, but since this is a public forum, here it goes.... I do a lot of nude modeling myself, for fashion designers, photographers and PLAYGIRL (very tacky.... I know)
You too can be whatever you want to be, specially if you have a small frame, and i´m guessing that you must have small waist too (wich is my case, 28 w) and in order to have that LOOK, the first thing to do is train the back and deltoids (specialy laterals), so that will help with the frame issue, and create and ilusion of wideness, and as for abdominals, just cut the carbs (depending on your training) and do a lot of cardio and train your abs, and the six back will come soon, believe me.
Santos

[Dance]

Well thanks,
Sure I have lots of ideas. But I mean that is sort an open ended question right? Where am I supposed to start? I mean I made one suggestion about the fruit and look where that led. God forbid I say anything else.
Dance

[Big10]

yup, Dance! U created a monster!
actually, I have wanted that 6 pack for
a long time, I am just getting closer so
I want to really hit it! I was 215 b4
I started losing... damn leg injury.
Made me lazy.
thanx alot guys!

Dance, I will be more specific in the future,
Just starting the REAL work now!

So here it is: Lats, Delts, back...
abdominals, just cut the carbs (depending on your training) and do a lot of cardio and train your abs,
OK, So I am OFF!

[Dance]

I was referring to creating the thread of disagreements about the fruit rather than your own desire. I could not take credit for your desire. There are many guys here and many of them have various opinions and a wide range of experience. It is fine that we don't all agree on everything. Where two people agree on everything one of them is not thinking. Besides we can sharpen each other. There is much to learn in the health and fitness field.

I will say this. It is not what you know but what you do that counts. I believe most guys know enough of the basics to make a change but don't always do it for many reasons. As with anything read and learn and make up your own mind. Those suggestions you said came from Santo. There are many other suggestions as well. Don't forget about legs and other body parts. You can't work the same muscle too frequently so you should do the other areas as well and on and on. The most basic problem in a gym is guys don't work out the muscle intense enough and then they return too soon. I suggested the fruit thing. If you do that and then come back and at least say you tried it then I would suggest more. If not then there is no reason for me to say anything else. Besides some may get upset this is turning into a fitness section instead of PE. But that last thread was only one, and it has been sort of slow here anyway.
Dance

[Big10]

if I disagreed with U so vehemently I musta
been in the wrong. I apologize. Perhaps there
was a misunderstanding on my part, I'd like a
link back to that thread and then I can "try the
fruit thing" it sounds like it might be similar to
something I saw on a video. I DO eat fresh fruits
ONLY on many mornings, and I believe that has
helped me lose what I have lost, but I need more
info...

<BB10 holds out hand> I fugged up DANCE!
I have always admired your balls (figuratively)
for posing nude. Takes some big ones buddy!

[Dance]

No, I never thought you disagreed with me or am I upset in any way:) No problems. I was just making an observation about how I only made one suggestion and look at the responses from others, not you. Here is the thread.

pub14.ezboard.com/fpeforu...=126.topic (http://pub14.ezboard.com/fpeforumsgeneraldiscussion.showMessage?topicID=126 .topic)

As for the nude modeling it is not really that big of a deal. At first I was nervous but now I don't even think about it.

Dance

[Big10]

I have read the fruit stuff, and I think it is the same book
but I saw a video of it! That couple was darn near TOO
SKINNY but apparently it works!

I am getting really good at doing the fruit routine
and last nite, I noticed a GOOD reduction in the
pubic fat pad! NBP measurements will be better now
and the gut and love handles are gonna go NEXT!!!!

I will keep that thread and study it...
Thanx again!

What video/book was this? And could you elaborate on the fruit plan that you used to drop your initial weight?
Thanks!!

P.S. Thanks, Dance for the info that you have already posted on this topic.

[Dance]

Just read the thead above and if more questions let me know. Fruit in the morning that's all I suggested
Dance.

[SS4Jelq]

Bigbob:

Dont try to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Pick one or the other. I would suggest you add muscle (bulk)before you start to lose fat (cut). The reason for this is that muscle burns fat so the more mucle you have, the easier it will be to cut up.

In my opinion you should work legs right from the beginning, I think it looks silly if a guy has big lats and chest but skinny little stick legs. The same as guys that have a six pack but no other muscle. that annoys me.

If you need help with a workout routine just say, im sure everyone will help you.

good luck
SS4

[vivace]

I started the whole PE, weight loss and weight lifting 18 months ago. I got a book (which I do not remember)from the library. His thesis: Different exercises on any individual muscle group are needless as the muscle does not know what you are doing. Increase the weight slowly and complete each muscle group exercise to exhaustion or failure. Limit the full range ie, bicept curl for only five or so inches in the hard range to failure. Do not exercise for 5 to 7 days--rest. I am not a body builder, but I have a totally different body--I actually look ripped--scary. Although I always looked younger than my 48 years, according to friends and wife, I look mid 30's. I feel great and have carefully checked my narcissistic, vain, and other selfish notions at the door. My dick is getting bigger though. LOL

I'd listen to Dance on this - but I would add a few pointers I have learned over the last 15 years or so that I have been bodysculpting, during which time I have went from 140lbs upto 185lb-5%bodyfat at my heaviest in 93 when I was really into it to now at 45, 5'8" - 160lb with about 7-8% bodyfat which I have maintained for about 6-7 years now. No special diet - just eating sensibly, lots of greens, yes FRUIT, beans, lentils, salads, lean chicken breast, tuna, salmon, etc, etc. Lot's of the "old timers" in the gym used to say it's 40% diet, 40% rest and 20% workouts - there's alot of truth in them words :)

I have had a solid 8 pack - but what I did was decide that plugging aerobics for abs was a bit dubious on it's own. So I train my abs just like any other bodypart -after all - they are muscles. Once you build up the ab muscles, despite what the "experts" say about spot reduction, the ab muscles seem to "dry" out the fat and stand out all the time. The routines I use are mainly very slow, very strict crunches - no twists, no situps. And because it's best done on a soft surface - you can do them on your bed too...

[Big10]

I'll try and hit some of that next week.

[Canuck]

As I have no accessibility to a gym and I need to trim down I would like and and all advice as to my benefits and/or distruction.

About 2 months ago I decided that I needed to trim up my 55 year old body. I had dropped my weight from 230 Lbs to 200 over a 16 month period, but this was only by a restrictive diet input. Now that I have been on this board for about 10 months I have a far greater apprecation of what I can be. My father was a man of 135 Lbs and had a good ripped look at 75 when he passed on. I looked like s--t by comparison. I'm 5'9".

I have started taking Dance's advice on diet and nutrition and boy is he right on. The first few days everything loosened up, but now things have returned to normal. My morning consumption is 2 fruits (oranges, apples, bannanas, pears) followed by 1 slice of multi-grain toast (dry) with peanut butter and 4 slices of very crispy bacon (some food is hard to stop). Mid morning I may have 1 fruit. Lunch is usually a chicken/ceasier salad with one slice of multi-grain toast (dry).
Usually no mid afternoon snack but if I need one it could be fruit or snack bar. Dinner is usually 3 - 4 pieces of fruit. I very seldom snack after 7 PM and retire to bed by 10:30 - 11 PM.

My exercise routine is monday - friday and is as follows:

(using 15Lb dumpbells - graduated from 10Lb last week)

Laying down on bed arms straight out from body I lift weights to over head (90 degrees rotation) - 20 reps
followed by arms straight behind head rotate through 180 degrees to thighs - 20 reps.
followed by vertical pushup of weights over chest - 20 reps

(When I was using the 10 Lbs I had increased to 40 reps in each catagory.)

I take a short rest while I attach my Bib hanger (I hang 16 Lbs) and start with 10 squats until the weights just touch the floor. Next I do 20 (using the 15 Lb dumbells) vertical lifts (while standing) from shoulder to full extension, followed by 20 curls from arms down through to top of chest (180 degree rotation). I then do 20 hand exercises using 2 board clamps I found at a hardware store ($2.50 vs $12.95 for wielder). I follow this with 25 reps to work the upper chest. Then I will repeat the above standing exercises for another 10 reps.

By then I am pretty well spent and just finish off the Hang for 2 more sets.

I do this each night and take the weekends off completly. Am I on the right track? I do not have gym facilities and about 1/2 the time I am out of town for 2 - 3 weeks at a time.