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doublelongdaddy
09-30-2002, 08:45 AM
A VERY IMPORTANT STUDY by DLD
An Overview: Part 1
Part 1: Visual size distortion and influence of language

http://web.ecomplanet.com/JEN1293/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/JEN1293CustomImage0233839.jpg

PHOTOGRAPHIC ILLUSION
This photograph by English visual psychologist Richard Gregory shows two people, placed at differing distances, so that their images differ in size. Most people looking at this photograph will state that the nearer person looks a little nearer, but also a lot larger. The two subjects maintained a constant horizontal foot level independent of their distance from the viewer (this was accomplished by having the camera placed at ground level). The effect still occurred, but it is ambiguous due to the lack of a perspective background. This is due to the perspective distortion or illusion of the way the picture is presented. Why is this important to PE? I think after reading this ongoing report I am working on it will become apparent.

In the course of my studies into illusion, distortion and visual interpretation I have allowed myself to view some pornographic material. (this is important to the people who know I generally do not look at pornographic images)

VISUAL DISTORTION and/or ILLUSION
Over the course of the past few weeks I have become increasingly skeptical of penis pictures on line. The reason I embarked on this study was to calm some of my own anxieties about what I view on line and hopefully help other people suffering with similar problems. I have been left very confused after viewing images of a man in what I will call “an optimum angle photograph” opposed to subsequent pictures of the same man in a non-optimum angle photograph. On first glance the penis picture appears to be huge but on further investigation I have realized that my initial viewing was proportion bias. Basically my vision was distorted by surrounding object and/or proportion optimizing angles. I think that many times we see a picture and based on surrounding object and spacial values we arrive at a distorted perception of the object in question. I will get into this more in part 2

LANGUAGE INFLUENCE
I have also become very interested in how language influences the way we see things. Using a popular figure for example, it has been hammered into our heads that John Holmes had a 14” penis. In turn this is a preconceived belief that will further distort our perception when we actually see a photograph of John Holmes. In many case people will just believe this measurement because it is what they have been told. In this case language played a huge roll in photographic illusion. On further investigation John Holmes is much smaller then the 14” myth, but over time in becomes increasingly more and more difficult to see this due to the constant distorted language. I have spent time doing certain tests I have developed in relation with this study to estimate size based on surrounding object and un-distorted images. In this test John Holmes is closer to less than 10”. More of this in part 2.

RELATION TO SELF VIEW AND PE
I will also get deeper into self image based on pre-conceived self opinions and how this affects how we see ourselves. I will get into my own strles with this and some new, interesting ways to deal with these issues. I will also point out how this relates to penis enlargement.

Through this study I hope to expose media dishonesty, photographic illusion and help myself battle my own problems with self view.

I will update this as soon as I am finished with part 2.

RB
09-30-2002, 09:09 AM
Looking forward to reading more. I see very few really large penises in porn when you start looking at all the empirical evidence and applying the proper context.

doublelongdaddy
09-30-2002, 09:27 AM
Thanks RB...I am also interested in the groups take on this... I am currently editing part 2...I will have many more pictures and some interesting visuals.

RB
09-30-2002, 09:47 AM
When I first started PE, I was convinced everyone in the world except me was hung. I mean, just look at all the pictures...

But when you really study them, almost always the women are very small framed, as are alot of the men, and the camera angles and zoom effect can make things look much larger than they are.

I now mostly go by the hand on the prick size, how far away the guy is from the woman when just entering her doggie style, how much of the hand fits around the prick, etc. Makes me feel alot better about my size.

crazyJLK
09-30-2002, 09:53 AM
RB,

I also found that watching porn on a big screen TV can be a little misleading....

Post on DLD, I love to listen to theory

doublelongdaddy
09-30-2002, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by RB
When I first started PE, I was convinced everyone in the world except me was hung. I mean, just look at all the pictures...

But when you really study them, almost always the women are very small framed, as are alot of the men, and the camera angles and zoom effect can make things look much larger than they are.

I now mostly go by the hand on the prick size, how far away the guy is from the woman when just entering her doggie style, how much of the hand fits around the prick, etc. Makes me feel alot better about my size.

RB...I will touch on alot of this is part 2. I will also get into how society has "stock" beliefs that relate to the way we see ourselves. I think many people are under the same assumption that men in general are how they are projected on the net, porn or other media. There are so many variables in determining photographic acuracy...the photographer is almost never going to shoot a picture to make the man appear smaller. The point is it is very easy to trick the eye and from this trickery society makes a broad assumption of what is percieved to be accurate. I will also show some of these techniques to shed more light on visual deception.

BMU
09-30-2002, 12:32 PM
Part 1 was great read, DLD! Can't await part 2!

I wrote about this in an other post already: I think beside the different "technical" tricks (camera, angles, etc.), the size, or especially the girth of a dick in a pr0n movie or picture depends pretty much on the size of the girl's hand. A small hand holding a dick makes the dick look way bigger than it really is.

I was always thinking about this ... I saw dicks that in fact aren't bigger than mine (6.25 x 5.75 before I started PE), but they looked so much bigger in the girl's hands than my dick in my girl's hand ... until I noticed that my girl has pretty big hands ... that's the "trick" ...

bigbutnottoo
09-30-2002, 04:55 PM
I am looking forward to hearing more.

I have always felt I looked really small, even though I measure 8"x5.25". Strangely enough, statistically I am much longer than i am girthy. Yet, when I look at my penis, it looks short and wide.

I have seen John Holmes pics where he looks no mmore than 8" but very thick. I have always thought he was about 9.5x6.5.

There are guys though like Mandingo in porn who really look a legitamate 12"

dino775
09-30-2002, 05:00 PM
Great thread dld, some of the porn sites are so fake that the girls head look stretched when there giving head


dino

regularwhiteguy
09-30-2002, 08:53 PM
I would put Holmes at around 10" x 7.75 to 8"... 14" / 12" is out of the question....

hang10
10-01-2002, 12:34 AM
I know camera angles have a lot to do with perception of size.
I use hand size for a better perspective.

Make a loose fist like in the jerk off position and measure it.
Then pay attention to hand size on different people.
Add in the camera angle and whether the guy is shaved or not.

Also remember that looking down at your own johnson has got to be one of the worst angles to view it. Look at yourself in a mirror from the side and also from underneath for a better perspective.

Those guyz in porn aren't as big as the appear.
And you are bigger than you appear to yourself.

--

dino that reminds me of those hydroxycut ads for weight loss where they stretch those before pictures to make them look fatter than they really are.

twatteaser
10-01-2002, 01:37 AM
I am impressed! Quite a bunch of research went into this one I can see! I see your starting to look over the psychology of perception and sensation, something I have yet to take a class on. Kudos DLD! Your pal Twat

doublelongdaddy
10-01-2002, 05:17 AM
Wow...such great interest..I think everyone will like part 2...I will have it up today at some point...Thanks for the great involvement.

doublelongdaddy
10-01-2002, 07:53 AM
Part 2: A deeper look at Size Illusion

A basic assumption that seems to be built into our visual system is that the objects that we see are from a three-dimensional world. Which seems rational enough because we spend the majority of our lives viewing the world in a 3 dimensional environment. So, if we are presented with a two-dimensional picture, our visual system tends to interpret the image as if it were caused by three-dimensional objects. This interpretation is most of the time very close to accurate. But when slight change of surrounding objects or some sort of distortion occurs illusion will follow. See picture below for a further graphic explanation.

http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0106091.jpg

We make judgments in 2 dimensional information based on learned knowledge (sometimes to quickly which is where illusion becomes evident). These assumptions are usually based in our three dimensional judgement. When an artist wants something to appear further away he will paint that object smaller in proportion to the foreground object, the further away the object the smaller it must be. This gives perspective of size difference and spacial value on a flat surface. Now when these same principals are applied to creating size illusion some very basic adjustments need to be made to accomplish the desired outcome. The reason this illusion is so easily orchestrated is because our visual system has been adapted for use in a three-dimensional (not a two-dimensional) world. Many times size illusion will happen purely by accident (mainly in a non controlled environment) but if the producer ses to create illusion of something larger and/or something smaller they only need to manipulate the surrounding, not the object itself. This is easily visual in movies where the object of visual size difference is created by it’s environment. i.e..) Honey I shrunk the kids, King Kong. So when these same rules are applied to pornographic pictures the illusions are easy accomplished. Further manipulations are made at the editing phase where many adjustments can be made via the computer that before were not possible. (i.e.: morphing, which is very evident on web sites like monstercocks.com)

Being creatures of a prominently based 3 dimensional world it is easy to see how we are fooled by such basic manipulation. But it still remains that we will believe what we see a majority of the time because we lack the ability to quickly find these distortions and rationally put them in place.

Learned knowledge acts as the catalyst for this confusion because when we see something in two dimension our brains base size estimations on surrounding objects and what our past learned experience of the objects are. For example if you were to shoot a picture of a car but surround that picture with oversized objects the car would appear to be smaller. The same principals hold true when seeing a picture that lends distortion to increasing the visual size of something.

What does this knowledge accomplish for us in penis enlargement? I will relate this to myself as not to speak for other people. I can become very discouraged when I view some of the material on-line, I will play head games and ultimately feel badly about my own self image. Any kind of compitition with the images we see on line, in movies, or magazines is a very unfair war.... Why? We do not have the advantage of angle when looking down at our penis. We have very few visual points to view our own penis but in a 2 dimensional world there are infinite angles, perspectives and distortions. The second problem with viewing ourselves compared to media images is we are usually consumed with self doubt and have the insistent belief that the rest of the world is better than us. Having a negative view of ourselves and then looking down at our penis it becomes almost automatic to have a dismorphic view.

Over the course of this study I have looked at many pictures portraying the penis. Initially it was a very anxious environment for me but as time went on and I conducted my various tests on these images (part 4 will be a graphic model of all my findings) I started to realize much of what we see we believe based on language. If the ad says 14” then it must be true. I challenged many of these claims and many of the claims were untrue. The ones I found to have enough evidence to support their claim were all in reasonable size values. (Language will be part 3 of this study)

Thanks for reading! –Daddy

RB
10-01-2002, 08:31 AM
As soon as it's run it's course, this thread needs to be immortalized in the best posts forum. Great work, DLD.

Those pictures speak thousands of words. If I didn't know they were the same, I would be absolutely convinced the pic on the left was much bigger than me, and feel inferior. However, I'm clearly bigger than the one on the right. Makes me feel much better about myself :)

The size of the girl also comes into play. It's very hard to judge the stature of models in pics. I just had a young couple in my office, and the wife is a hot petite 20 year old latina. She's clearly a foot shorter than my wife. Next to her, my cock would look like a monster.

Can't wait to read more on this. Hopefully with tips on how to accurately judge a pic, with a test or two :)

I think the ultimate test would be to have DLD and Jen emulate a posed pic then post them side by side. A known size (DLD) versus a claimed size, if possible.

doublelongdaddy
10-01-2002, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by RB
Can't wait to read more on this. Hopefully with tips on how to accurately judge a pic, with a test or two :)

I think the ultimate test would be to have DLD and Jen emulate a posed pic then post them side by side. A known size (DLD) versus a claimed size, if possible.

Part 4 will feature my techniques on judging size based on different components and how many illusions are performed. As far as I am concerned the most accurate angle to judge size is the angle you can find in the members only forum. There is a picture in the thread http://www.peforum.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3689 that shows Jen holding my penis from the front with two hands on the same plain of vision, this is the easiest position to judge accurate size. I will also break some of my own photos down in part 4 explaining some technique to accurately judge size.

pole
10-02-2002, 12:06 AM
DLD,

very good post!

This 2 photos showing the same dick from different angles explain why I like blowjobs while standing with the girl kneeing in front of me ;)

Especially if in addition the girl has a pretty small face and mouth you feel like god!

But I can't find the picture you're saying Jen is holding your dick with both hands.
I see only a blowjob picture w/o any hands?!?

take care,

pole

pole
10-02-2002, 12:14 AM
DLD,

very good post!

This 2 photos showing the same dick from different angles explain why I like blowjobs while standing with the girl kneeing in front of me ;)

Especially if in addition the girl has a pretty small face and mouth you feel like god!

But I can't find the picture you're saying Jen is holding your dick with both hands.
I see only a blowjob picture w/o any hands?!?

take care,

pole

doublelongdaddy
10-02-2002, 02:39 PM
I will have part 3 ready tommorow...Thanks Pole

RB
10-03-2002, 06:29 AM
Part 3 Part 3 Part 3 :)

doublelongdaddy
10-03-2002, 08:44 AM
Part 3
Taking on the media

In this part I will use one of my own idols as the example. John Holmes is probably one of the first images that comes to mind when the term "Huge Cock" is used and righfully so. John Holmes had a magnificently huge penis, very long and very thick...what most of us dream of having.

In one particular interview with "The King" he was quoted as saying his penis was 10" long...these are his own words and I have to agree that with a very nice bone pressed measurement in a dead stretch setting he is very close to this claim. How big is 10"? Huge. Look at a standard US paper towel roll, this is slightly over 10" and it is HUGE. A penis that would scare the biggest size queens.

http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0118611.jpg

In this first illustration I will show how the language of the ad is misleading. In the ad it claims John Holmes as having a 14.5" penis. This is a measurement I have heard for most of my life when John Holmes was discussed. This is a perfect example of language giving us the illusion that the picture we are looking at is based in reality. For most people a glance at the picture would show A.) a Huge Penis and B.) the words 14.5" printed below it. The illusion here will become evident in the next two illustrations. But living in a society where most of us want to believe people and have a general thirst for honesty we are easily fooled into taking part A and part B and combining them without question. Language, as misleading as it can be, is a wonderful tool in any type of successful sale. Weather the sale be ourselves to another person for a date, or IBM to the general public to sell a expensive computer system. How many times have you heard a women say, "oh he was huge, at least 10 inches" what is this statement based on, Reality? No chances are it is based on the man selling his penis as being a 10 incher and her believing the language. Even though the two may not coincide she still thinks it's true for the simple reason that WE WANT TO BELIEVE.

Now look at this second illustration where I have dissected the penis from the original picture.http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0122208.jpg This step alone has a huge effect on what we are truly seeing but I took it a step further. Taking averages into mind, I drew two lines that show the distance the penis is if it were laid on her face. Measure your own face, chin to middle forehead...what is the measurement...I got 8”. Now is this a mighty cock? Hell yes. Is it 14.5”? imagine how big her head would need to be for this to be true.


Using the same method of measuring her head and using the general averages to determine size,
this third illustration represents a poorly morphed version of what a 12” penis would look like next to the models head. Quite a difference but still not the 14.5” claim. I ran out of palet room to show 14.5”. Take special notice of the ruler measurements given in the advertisers picture.
http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0131220.jpg

How does this apply to PE? Again, speaking for myself, knowing that people like John Holmes really were something closer to a 10” than 14.5" relieves quite a bit of the anxiety that I felt before I questioned this language. 14.5” is unreal, but still there are many who still think these measurements are out there. When we lower the bar to 10” our goals become more realistic and attainable. The typical average man starting PE (estimating the mean average at around 5.5" in length) truly thought that John Holmes was 14.5" his mindset for getting himself to this level would seen impossible. With this false belief he would need to ad and additional 9" in length to get there. But when the bar is lowered to a more realistic and accurate number this newbie only need to gain around 4"....Yes 4" is an incredible gain but this has been done in PE. If others have gone before us and made some of our own goals a reality it allows us the same motivation to realize our own goals.

Part 4 will feature easy methods for you to estimate accurate size.

RB
10-03-2002, 08:59 AM
This is the best thread I have ever read here, hands down. This goes to the heart of the matter, us comparing our selves to the real world and feeling inadequate. I feel so much better about my cock now than ever before. Fuck, I'm closing in on John fucking Holmes!

DLD, excellent, excellent work. I'm sure this is helping you immensely. Any idea how big around John Boy is?

doublelongdaddy
10-03-2002, 09:03 AM
I would say his girth is very close to my own at around 6.75"...girth is a little more difficult to estimate but I have done it.

Thank you RB for enjoying the thread so far.

josipbrozus
10-03-2002, 05:49 PM
thank you so much DLD !!!!!!!!!
Josip

crazyJLK
10-03-2002, 09:37 PM
i love how this is going dld, i just wanted to bring one thing into consideration with the clipping and snipping you did in your picture edit. dont forget that pictures are only 2d, where as what you are taking a picture of is 3d. now, in the position that the picture was taken, the cock could have been bent back a little, skewing the cutting and rotating method a little short. 6 inches short? most likely not, but if he claimed 10", and he's been photographed from here to kingdom come, then i'd say... 9"?

goingdeep
10-03-2002, 10:00 PM
DLD...this is an oustanding post man. Seriously, I just want to commend you for putting in that much effort for the PE community. This is a really great thread, possible the "greatest of all time". Thanks man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

doublelongdaddy
10-04-2002, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by crazyJLK
i love how this is going dld, i just wanted to bring one thing into consideration with the clipping and snipping you did in your picture edit. dont forget that pictures are only 2d, where as what you are taking a picture of is 3d. now, in the position that the picture was taken, the cock could have been bent back a little, skewing the cutting and rotating method a little short. 6 inches short? most likely not, but if he claimed 10", and he's been photographed from here to kingdom come, then i'd say... 9"?

Thank you for the complements. I have studied very extensively into the 2D to 3D model over time. As far as this is concerned I do work a certain % of marginal error in favor of the subject. When making an accurate judgement of size I will go as far as to pull objects to the same plain as the subject in question to even get closer to a accurate reading. But I always benefit the subject with the advantage. This plays into my "margin of error" and usually credits the subject with more length then they probably have. This is very, very time consuming, but I feel it is beneficial to us to know "THE TRUTH"

Part 4 Today

Gandolf
10-04-2002, 08:27 AM
I would like to point a few more examples I noticed which have been left out.

1.The little ruler marks on the original picture start at the bottom of her hand, probly 2 inches below the dick.
2.Even if they were actually inches, his penis only hits the 13 mark. Where did they come up with this 14.5 bullshit
3.According to the little inches marks on the picture her hand is about 5 inches wide. I am a man of average height and weight and my hand is about 3.75 inches wide. I typical girl's hand is probly within the 3.25-3.5 inch range.

I'd say he's probly 9.5-10 inches bone pressed. Although his girth could be like 7, its huge. I think the media is responsible for the gross exageration of penis size. The vast majority of guys are right around the 6 inch range and most guys dont even have a full 5 inches of girth around the midshaft. Its just gotton to the point where TV, magazines, movies, ect.... portray anything under 8-10 inches to be small, although only one percent of men are truely over 8 inches (this is from a true medical study). At this point, no one who ISN'T freakishly big would ever publically display their penis if it wasn't huge. Thus we only see big dicks and think that all guys are that big.

If he claimed to be 10 inches, I'd say he's either at or below 10. No one underestimates their dick size. No one.

doublelongdaddy
10-04-2002, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Gandolf
I would like to point a few more examples I noticed which have been left out.

1.The little ruler marks on the original picture start at the bottom of her hand, probly 2 inches below the dick.
2.Even if they were actually inches, his penis only hits the 13 mark. Where did they come up with this 14.5 bullshit
3.According to the little inches marks on the picture her hand is about 5 inches wide. I am a man of average height and weight and my hand is about 3.75 inches wide. I typical girl's hand is probly within the 3.25-3.5 inch range.

I'd say he's probly 9.5-10 inches bone pressed. Although his girth could be like 7, its huge. I think the media is responsible for the gross exageration of penis size. The vast majority of guys are right around the 6 inch range and most guys dont even have a full 5 inches of girth around the midshaft. Its just gotton to the point where TV, magazines, movies, ect.... portray anything under 8-10 inches to be small, although only one percent of men are truely over 8 inches (this is from a true medical study). At this point, no one who ISN'T freakishly big would ever publically display their penis if it wasn't huge. Thus we only see big dicks and think that all guys are that big.

If he claimed to be 10 inches, I'd say he's either at or below 10. No one underestimates their dick size. No one.

Very good points....You will love part 4...

RB
10-04-2002, 08:52 AM
Eagerly awaiting it...

bigbutnottoo
10-04-2002, 09:18 AM
The s about Holmes goes something like this. Supposedly when he was young and married he measured it out of curiousity and exclaimed to his wife " Its a full 10 inches" and she was basically like So What.

Ive heard that his costars said they thought it was about 11.

I still say about 9.5 x 6.5 with a margin of error of +- 0.5

There are some guys these days that do the specialty big dick porn, mostly black on blonde type stuff, that really do look 12" though.

RB
10-04-2002, 09:47 AM
Yeah, and they advertise 16" COCKS! Man, if you're huge, your huge, why lie? It goes back to DLD's post on buying into language as a given.

doublelongdaddy
10-04-2002, 11:52 AM
Yay...some involvement!!! I will get part 4 up as soon as I get my shit together...Today has been crazy...As far as sites like Blacks on Blondes and the like, they are guilty of not only angle munipulation and pre-planned size illusion but also morphing at the editing phase is very common. I will bring some examples from there and show some of the tricks performed. I am in no way doubting that the 12" Cock is out there...but I demand proof for now on...I am tired of people dropping numbers like it's their own dick...the only thing this accomplishes is an illrational measurement that is virtually unattainable and causes newbies and vets unwarranted anxiety.

doublelongdaddy
10-05-2002, 10:11 AM
Part 4: Size estimation and Photographic Morphing

Estimation of Size using Female Hand Averages.

When I estimate size in a photograph I prefer to use hand size as the gauge. Understand, this is my preferred way to estimate, but I have other methods that are even more accurate. (Using objects of common knowledge measurement on the equal plain as the subject. Bringing all object to an equal plain as to eliminate illusion, etc.) I have included this illustration http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0141457.jpg In this study 68 grown females were measured for hand breadth. Hand breadth is the distance between the upper most part of the hand to the lower most part of the hand on a vertical plain. See the picture for illustration of this. In this study the size varried from 2.9” to 3.5”. 3.5” being the largest measurement in this female study should be used to determine size as to give the benefit of the doubt to the subject in question. In a graphics program using simple duplication techniques approximate size can be determined based on average hand sizes. I feel this is a more than fair tool to determine penis size for the simple fact I am giving the subject every advantage possible (largest average hand comparison). Usually in size driven pornography the women will not have a huge hand, the producer will more than likely find a women at the smaller end of the range. What I like to do is find a subject that has a women grabbing the penis. From this point I simply duplicate the hand breadth and place it along the edge of the penis. Simple math gives a very close measurement of length. This process can be done using various averages in body part comparison. I like to always use the largest average as to ensure a fair reading in the benefit of the subject.


MORPHING
(techniques done at the editing phase)

This is a very simple technique that can be done with amazing accuracy with a skilled designer. Using various tools in a photo manipulation program images can be made longer, thicker, shorter, or simply replaced with another image very easily. I quickly did an example of this. The original picture is the one on top, the image below I created. http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0155366.jpg This process is not limited to still photography...video can be manipulated frame by fame to accomplish the same results. 99% of the penis images at www.monstercocks.com are morphed in a similar way. This took me about 5 minutes to complete. With proper time I can produce a seamless image that would be virtually impossible to detect. You may ask yourself how I detect morphed images? To the naked eye it is impossible. But when a questionable image is enlarged many times the pixels become visible. In this state I am able to see repeated patterns, color inconsistencies, breaks in tone, among other tell tale signs of manipulation.

Why is this important to PE?

I think that once we realize that things that seem unreal usually are it brings a sense of security to the person strling with self confidence issues. The penis is the most sensitive issue for most men and when we subject ourselves to false, dishonest standards we create impossible goals. For myself my PE goals need to be based on reality. Trying to keep the determination to continue to accomplish these goals becomes much easier when the playing field is leveled.

The next part of this study will be mostly graphic and involve sample pictures and size analysis, enlarged pixels of morphed images, and other DLD techniques. I hope everyone is enjoying this study so far. I know it is helping me with some of my fears and I hope it is helping you too.

crazyJLK
10-05-2002, 10:15 AM
yay part 4, and i am the first to reply!

edit: wow, i actually have something to respond with at that... your first link dld, is linking the ...In as part of it, so guys who click it either need to delete it, or you could edit it and fix it for us =D

doublelongdaddy
10-05-2002, 10:23 AM
Fixed :) Thanks

BMU
10-05-2002, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
There are some guys these days that do the specialty big dick porn, mostly black on blonde type stuff, that really do look 12" though.
I think most of them are definitely way under 12", I would say there are many technical tricks to make them 12" ...

Edit: Oh, I just saw DLD's answer which says about the same (morphing, etc.). DLD was first ;)

regularwhiteguy
10-05-2002, 05:05 PM
DLD, you flat out just rock, period! After seeing / reading your text and seeing what you did I have a much better view of myself LOL! I really mean that... It was either on this board or at thunders I was pointed towards www.penissizedebate.com, that site lays claim that over sized penis owners are replete throughout the world.. They have several pictures that I now know are fake after seeing what you did (with the exception of the black guy sitting on the rock, I saw him years ago prior to the age of computers in a dirty mag).. Perhaps take a look at that site and tell me what you think about it...

doublelongdaddy
10-06-2002, 08:45 AM
Very interesting stuff...I have to spend morte time there and I will give you my opinion. Thanks Reg....Don't miss the next part..which will touch on race, and pre-consieved beliefs

RB
10-07-2002, 06:19 AM
Another fantastic post, DLD, That morphing example blows my mind. It looks totally real!

Can't wait for #5... :)

RB
10-09-2002, 06:45 AM
Did I miss #5 somewhere? I suspect these post's take DLD a ton of time, and I don't want to hurry him, well, damn it yes I do :)

Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it :)

doublelongdaddy
10-09-2002, 12:14 PM
I am not negreting this thread...I am currently doing some interviews and waiting for some more data. Hopefully tommorow. DLD

doublelongdaddy
10-10-2002, 11:27 AM
MYTHS and RUMORS

Some His about Penis Size...source available to those that want it :)

Largest Penis by Race
Going strictly by the Kinsey data, which still remains one of the most exhaustive studies on penis size to date, the average white male has a penis measuring 6.2 inches long and 3.7 inches around, whereas the average black male has a penis 6.3 by 3.8 inches, for a difference of 0.1 inches--not what you'd call statistically significant. When it came to flaccid length, however, blacks fared a little better: 4.3 inches long, versus 4.0 inches for white males. So it may be, therefore, that while those of African heritage appear larger initially, under actual working conditions things tend to even out. You should consider this a tentative hypothesis rather than a scientific fact, as there were only 59 black respondents to the survey, versus 2,500 for whites.

Smallest Penis by Race
Inhabiting the low end of the penile spectrum are those of the Asian persuasion, specifically those of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese descent. Hard data supporting this claim comes from The Definitive Penis Size Survey, a website maintained by Richard Edwards and dedicated to answering the imponderable mysteries surrounding man's most cherished appendage (the mysteries related to size, anyway). Among the interesting tidbits we gleam from his work, now in its sixth edition, is a graph correlating different erect sizes with race. The final tally: Caucasians on average measure 6.5 inches (16.5 cm), whereas the average Asian measures--5.5 inches (14 cm).

Is the Porn Industry partially to blame for race driven beliefs?
There are the dubious claims of immense penis size by various personages operating within the sex industry. These claims are almost invariably false, the result of exaggeration and hype by unscrupulous dealers hoping to hawk more products. Take the legendary Long Dong Silver, for instance. Made famous by the Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill hearings, his one enduring trait was his supposedly 18-inch penis. Totally fraudulent, as it turns out; in fact, there are videos in which he appears only normal sized.

What type of pressures do males feel when the issue of size is faced? Are myths only exaduratted rumors. Do these rumors play a roll in anxiety? I decided to get the opinions of a small cross section of males that often fall victim to these rumors. Here are the questions I proposed to these men. I have interviewed 1 Black male, 1 Italian Male and 1 Asian male. I se these three races as many rumors have surfaced in these areas. I have also included some additional thought from another good friend of mine to give an added perspective.

#1 Black Male

What type of pressures do you feel as a black male when issues of size is brought up among other black males?

Believe it or not, the black males I hang around rarely bring "the size
issue" up. Every once in a while someone may make a joke in passing about
"what everyone knows" about white male size, but no one ever talks about
their own tool -- bragging or otherwise. Probably because most of us have
nagging doubts about our own ability to live up to the stereotype of the
gigantic black penis. And because I haven't seen very many black penises,
particularly erect ones, I couldn't really validate or dismiss the
stereotype. I will say that I've noticed in locker rooms that it seems as
if black males are more likely to cover up than white males. This may be
due to the increased pressure they feel to measure up to the legend. Even
though I am far out on the right tail of the dick size distribution
according to all the studies I've seen, I often feel this pressure as well.
It interesting to note, however, that most of these studies tend to be based
on samples with relatively few black males.

Do the size rumors about blacks that surface in public circles become even more exaggerated in black circles and how does this make you feel?

Again, it not something that comes up that often among men in my experience. I have had a few girlfriends, however, who gossip about size with their female friends. Because most of them had not been with a white male, they often speculated about whether the size difference rumors were true. At the same time, I've overhead many conversations about black males
that a girlfriend or her friend had been with who wasn't very well endowed. So clearly all black males aren't packing.


Do you feel an added pressure to be "Bigger" due to this stigma?

As I noted above, I definitely feel pressure to be bigger due to the rumor. I'm naturally competitive -- particularly when it comes to my body (I'm a bodybuilder, etc.). Even though I know most men would be happy with what I have, I don't believe I'd be completely at peace with my endowment unless it was in the 12" range. Sad but true.

#2 Italian Male

What type of pressures do you feel as an Italian male when issues of size is brought up among other Italian males?

I don’t hear alot of penis size talk with my Italian friends. I am always grabbing it and saying right here and other stereotypical shit but when it comes to size I think I like to just let the rumor speak for itself weather is true or not. Hey I need every edge I can get, right?

Do the size rumors about Italians that surface in general circles of people become even more exaggerated in Italian circles and how does this make you feel?

I think so. If size does come up I always feel this added pressure to sorta prove myself to my boys.

Do you feel an added pressure to be "Bigger" due to this stigma?

Well I am hear, aint I? I guess I do feel this way. But my opinion of this stuff is I am not sure if the rumors are true for every Italian guy, but I am going to make sure it is with me.

#3 Asian Male

What type of pressures do you feel as an Asian male when issues of size is brought up among other Asian males?

Well when penis size is the topic of discussion I am usually quite reserved. I fall into the average size guidelines so I do not feel any need to really speak on it. I have been in locker rooms with some of my Asian friends who appear to be about the same as me.

Do the size rumors about Asians that surface in general circles of people become even more exaggerated in Asian circles and how does this make you feel?

Those rumors are quite irritating to say the least. I am not entirely sure where these size rumors come from but it really makes me mad. I have seen allot of men naked in my life because I was on the swimming team in college and high sl. My opinion is everyone has “basically” the same equipment. Some may be a bit larger and some may fair a little smaller. I have never seen anything drastic.


Do you feel an added pressure to be "Bigger" due to this stigma?

I am not sure if it is due to any stigma from rumors but I like most normal men want to be larger. When thinking about the difference between a normal penis and a large penis that difference is very small in the grand scheme of things.

Addition thoughts by another Black male:

But The pressure is great with the black male penis issue. With the high standards you have to be there much better to be considered something special. Like I know many people here that would be happy to only be 7 inches and I know alot of black women that would consider that small. Luckily I was born into a better position but I want to try and make the myth true with me. For the most part the myth has a basis in fact even though studies would show other wise. No to say every black man is hung like a horse would be like sayin every asian girl has small titties or al white girls have no ass. For the most part these are true but they cannot apply to all people. The black myth is a double edged sword if you ask me. It's a good myth if you have been blessed with the horse dick, but at the same time for those that have been shorted a lil that can make you feel inadquate.

It's harder for me because even though there are many more black guys smaller than me I still want to raise up out of the crowd more. With black men alot of time even though it mght not be said or what not we are very conscience bout our dick sizes and how we compare with others. We the be the biggest and the best. It's in our competitive nature. The size rumors are not as bad as it is seen in white circles cause it's something we've lived with our whole lives. Black people on average are more likely to have bigger body parts that most other races. You can go out now and see the hands, feet, heads, noses, lips. These parts among others can be bigger on blacks than othe races so it's kinda something that's lived with. But like before with these bigger body parts many want to have the bigger penis since they have to go through life with a big nose or a big head.

Myths seem to be endless.Through my own interviews and reading I have concluded that there is little or no evidence to support any of the penis rumors surrounding the three test races. I know I used a very small cross section but I thought it to be more interesting and time sensitive to get data from people I know. The reason I confronted the Myths issue is to show how un-supported rumors cause additional stress to the average man engaging in PE. I found it humorous this humerous and encouraging: ” I am not sure if the rumors are true for every guy, but I am going to make sure it is with me”. I think this is what we all feel here in some respect.

I wanted to post these interviews before I go on to the illustration and psychological part of this study...

Thank You to those who participated

The next part will be a graphic addition addressing myths and rumors.

RB
10-10-2002, 11:43 AM
Lead On, Brother DLD :)

More good stuff. Please keep it coming.

doublelongdaddy
10-11-2002, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by RB
Lead On, Brother DLD :)

More good stuff. Please keep it coming.

RB, my loyal fan :), hopefully later today. It takes a wh9ile to put it together. I know you are at work and it is Friday so I will try my best;)

Jennifer
10-11-2002, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by doublelongdaddy


RB, my loyal fan :), hopefully later today. It takes a wh9ile to put it together. I know you are at work and it is Friday so I will try my best;)

I'm a loyal fan too :) hurry

RB
10-11-2002, 12:36 PM
Take your time, don't rush on my account :)

Just eager to read some more of this killer stuff. If anyone has ever felt as inadequate as I did at one time, they need to read this thread.

doublelongdaddy
10-12-2002, 07:58 AM
Part 6

Thoughts on average size, penis studies and other confusing penis subject matter.

If you are anything like me the phrase “average penis size” can take many different shapes and leave you feeling confused about the definitive answer. Looking on-line will make things even more confusing due to the numerous surveys and studies conducted around this issue. I visited every conceivable study the internet has and picked two studies I felt to be most accurate out of the vast collection of sites.

The Kinsey study is one of the biggest and most famous penis size studies ever done. It was done in 1948 and involved 3,500 college males.. I thought this to be a great study with some minor flaws. One being most of the men in the study were white, this is a problem because it leaves doubts about race cross sections. The another being the method of measurement. The subject simply held a white card against their penis and marked their length on the card, which was later measured. Even though this was medically viewed it leaves a large area of error. The Kinsey study concluded average erect length was 6.21 inches and the average erect girth was 4.85 inches. Flaccid length was found to be 3.89 inches and flaccid girth 3.75 inches on average.

Other studies fall short of any kind of ethical standard because of method of measurement. (usually done unassisted by the subject) These studies have such a broad element of error that making a conclusion here would be wrong. Men generally will not be honest in these situation due to the inconclusive studies that have spawned unconfirmed rumors of average size. Most men when asked what they believed average size was would say it to be in the 6.5” area. So when measuring most will stretch the truth above this point to avoid embarrassment. Statistical surveys and self-perception questionnaires have caused more confusion. And based on the evidence, the answer confirmed is still a cloudy 6 to 6.5”. I think this is still untrue and a very unfair size for science to conclude. So I continued to search.

The one study I did like most is Lifestyles Condoms. I think it left the smallest amount of error. In the Spring 2001 in Cancun, Mexico, Lifestyles gathered a total of 301 male volunteers over 18 years old. Each subject was measured by a researcher which eliminated the cheating factor. The results of the Lifestyles survey found that average penis erect length is 5.87 inches and erect girth is 4.97 inches. Also, according to the survey, 54% of subjects measured between 5.5 inches and 6.3 inches in erect length with 53.3% measuring between 4.72 inches and 5.11 inches in girth. I liked everything in this study but the amount of subjects and the race inconsistencies.

When digging deeper into the race card I found this. A Toronto-based physician, Dr. Jerald Bain, who treats men with reproductive disorders had this to say about race. "But I can tell you from my own personal experience in seeing hundreds and hundreds of men - and I have the added advantage of working in Toronto, a very international city - that there is no difference from one ethnic origin to another,"

What I think to be the most definitive answer:
In my opinion, considering all of the information above, I would conclude that the average erect penis measures closer to 5.5 then the previously believed 6.5 inches in length. As far as girth is concerned 5 inches is what I believe to be the average. These may be my opinions but I would like to let you know I have studied very closely all surveys of validity and found these numbers to be most unbias.

How is this important to PE?
I think that weather we are above, below or right smack in the middle of what average is it gives us a better game plan when the actual number is true. For the person who feels his 5.5” penis is small, this information becomes very relative to him. For the person that falls short of this number, it gives him a solid, realistic goal to work towards. For the men who fall above this number it give the added confidence we all desperately seek.

I know I was going to present a graphic chapter to this study but I thought this to be more important.

Any Thoughts?

crazyJLK
10-12-2002, 11:31 AM
woooo next chapter, thanks daddy

Chi
10-12-2002, 03:07 PM
I finally found the time to read this thread. One of the best I have read so far. Thanks DLD, amazing work.

seanjacobs
10-13-2002, 09:28 PM
What a great thread!

doublelongdaddy
10-14-2002, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by seanjacobs
What a great thread!

Thank you Sean, Chi, JFK, RB & Jennifer. I am going to really concentrate on the graphics in the next part. This is something that initially causes me quite a bit of anxiety but after running the test I am working on, much of the anxiety was lifted. I am going after the largest penis' out there and determining what size is...scarry, but I feel it important.

RB
10-14-2002, 06:16 AM
Part 6 confirms what I've been thinking. I think that Lifestyles study is perhaps the best. And now knowing that lengthwise I'm in the top 2% or so of all men walking the planet, well, it makes me smile :) :) :)

Can't wait for the graphics session and test :)

doublelongdaddy
10-15-2002, 07:03 AM
I agree RB, the closer we can get to "No Human Error" the more accurate the final average will be. I am getting the nexy part ready...

doublelongdaddy
10-15-2002, 10:00 AM
Part 7: Angle & Contrast

First lets take a look at angles and how they effect what we see.
If an object appears big or small in a picture, the viewer assigns greater or lesser importance to it. An object that is prominent in the foreground and therefore appears relatively larger, takes on an importance for the viewer. The photographer is saying “LOOK AT THIS” by making it appear large in the frame and making it’s surroundings appear smaller. An image that contains distant objects isolates the viewer from them. Their relative small size makes them appear to be less significant, even though they may be the most significant part of a scene, but their far-away appearance mentally detaches the viewer from them. An image showing a naked man of average size in a bare white room make the mans penis appear benign and average, whereas the exact same man shown close-up and magnified in a macro-photograph may appear huge and monestrous.

Here is an example of skewed proportion using spacial value

A.) First Angle
http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0184829.jpg

B.) Second Angle
http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0201245.jpg

B is the same egg as in A but with a simple angle the B egg becomes larger than life. Imagine what the porn industry is doing with there cameras! When you encounter a picture that seams to good to be true...generally it is.

Why does a penis appear larger in interracial porn?
Addressing the color issue or Should I say CONTRAST

If you are anything like me your first reaction to interracial porn is initially skewed. What we see depends not only on objects but also on their backgrounds. A white object will be difficult to see against a white background but easy to see against a dark one. Conversely, a dark object might still be highly visible if the background is bright. The following pictures illustrate that we perceive "contrast," the difference between objects and their backgrounds, rather than the simply the amount of light coming from the object. This will show why men in interracial scenes always appear larger than men in same race scenes.

Here are some illustrations giving you the opportunity to rethink your initial reaction
http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0212383.jpg

http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0231765.jpg

How does this happen?
This next graph will show how size becomes less prominent as it’s contrasting color becomes closer to it’s own.
http://web.ecomplanet.com/GALL5465/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/GALL5465CustomImage0226885.jpg

Notice how much smaller the circle at the right appears in comparison to the circle at the left. Contrast is a very important aspect in what we view and how our brains translate this information. When we incorporate Myths and preconceived media language the contrast becomes larger and larger.

How is this important to PE?
Using this knowledge when viewing naked images will get you to stop and question what you may have missed previously. When we are able to really SEE what we are looking at it helps give us a more realistic goal in PE. The Ghetto Boyz said it best when Scarface said' "My minds playin' tricks on me homey" Our minds are very, very powerful and this ability can be used against or for us. I will address mental PE in Part 9.

Part 8: Focusing on Large Penis Size, who has it and what it does for the people that have it.

Flatline02002
10-15-2002, 11:19 PM
Man,another great post. DLD, this post is going into the 'hall of fame' mode now. Every argument your make you back up with clear, easy to understand answers and visual aids. Keep up the great work man. Can't wait for the next part!

brianrex
10-16-2002, 09:27 AM
DLD,

Excellent thread! Here is another site you may want to check out that confirms much of what you're proposing: http://www.erectionphotos.com/frames_index.htm.

I have always been convinced that the sizes of porn stars were routinely exaggerated. For example, I knew that porn producers use special camera angles and lenses, as well as actors/actresses with small hands and other appendages to create the illusion of size. I have a photograher friend who has alluded to these practices. What's frustrating, though, is that most people BELIEVE the illusions, which creates all of the size anxieties for the rest of us. According to all of the studies I've seen, I'm much larger than "average," but because I have large hands (nearly 4.5" across the palm and nearly 9" from base to finger tip) and a muscular physique, my piece sometimes looks rather ordinary in comparison. When you add the racial myths to this (I'm a black male) the anxieties only increase. I think the work you've done here shows that the horse-sized dick -- while some undoubtedly exist out there -- is not nearly as prevalent as the porn industry and internet photos would have us believe. In that sense, most everyone engaged in PE can rest assured that the gap between "ordinary" and "extraordinary" is really not that great, presenting most with realistic goals. Good work.

twatteaser
10-16-2002, 09:47 AM
By some spray on tanning spray for my dick and find a midget? If not will 20w-50 Work? Just kidding.

Excellent work. Your research is impeccable. I know will sign up at the tanning parlor too.

I like how you were able to intergrate the circles of different shades into the white background.

The Perspective angles were also amazing!

Thanks again! TT

RB
10-16-2002, 10:21 AM
Can't wait until the end where we see some of these concepts applied in "real world" pictures :)

Stellar work, DLD.

doublelongdaddy
10-16-2002, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by brianrex
Most everyone engaged in PE can rest assured that the gap between "ordinary" and "extraordinary" is really not that great, presenting most with realistic goals.

A very important point Brian. I think many people strling to hit unattainable goals may have a goal that is just not real. A versy good example of this is John Holmes. People are constantly saying the King with 14", not that this was any of his own doing. I have shown that this is mearly a myth and this incredibly large man is closer to 9"....This is a serious problem because now the person who admires John Holmes may feel as though they can never get there because of the 14" dishonesty. When you change this 14" to a more accurate number the goal becomes attainable. When people drop numbers on size, myths and other dishonest matter it creates an anxiety that is NOT realistic. The problem here is when we make incredible strides in our programs we lack the pride that should accompany this because of this unwarranted stigma. I will be taking on alot of this in the next part...I will also give some of my own opinions on who is big and who is not. Should be controversial.


BTW: lmao at the thought of TT in a smaller than average bed with a smaller than average midget fucking your 7 foot body with a kickin' tan.

twatteaser
10-16-2002, 12:04 PM
Awesome! I am there. Set it up!

doublelongdaddy
10-17-2002, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by twatteaser
Awesome! I am there. Set it up!


*calling 1-800-midget*

twatteaser
10-17-2002, 10:21 AM
She has really small hands. In fact, digitally shrink her hands for the photo shoot! LOL!

doublelongdaddy
10-18-2002, 09:36 AM
Part 8
WHAT IS BIG? WHO IS BIG? and ARE MEN BORN WITH IT?

This part of my study is mostly based on my opinion over the information I have studied so far.

WHAT IS BIG?
I think that we have gotten a pretty clear view of what average is, but what is considered big? I have looked through 100’s of penis pictures during this study and I picked the pictures I felt looked the biggest to me. (these I will feture in Part 9) I took these images and ran various size tests to determine size. To my surprise I found some interesting things. Most of the time on first glace the men in these photos appeared to be pushing the 10” range (needless to say this caused me initial anxiety) but after very carefully analyzing each photo I came up with almost the same measurement for each one I considered big. The conclusion may surprise most of us but invariably it came out to be between 8 and 8.5” with an average girth of 6”. I determined this through different processes I spoke of in earlier sections of this thread. I did find a very small percentage of men above this measurement those being in the 9-9.5” range. Nothing beyond this...NOTHING....SO to me in my opinion when I view a mans penis I am blown away at around the 8x6” mark. I consider this huge. It seems that measurements beyond this “magic mark” are not easily defined. The difference between an 8” penis and a 9” penis is not as exceptional as the difference between a 7” penis and a 8” penis in my opinion. A huge factor in initial size view was girth. The man who measured in length the same as another but had more girth looked considerably larger to me. On the average most subjects in my general testing fell into the 5.5x5"” to 6.5x5"” mark respectively.

WHO IS BIG
This may come as a surprise also but I found no real difference between races that was consistent enough to determine one bigger or smaller than the next...which I feel is good news for us. On penis sensitive sites, meaning sites that content was mainly centered around large size, played into race myths...but consistently I found the same actors working many of these circles.

One very, very consistent thing I found 100% of the time was a correlation between the look of the larger penis in comparison to the look of the average penis. This brought me to my final opinion on size. Every “large” penis I encountered bared the marks of a P.E.er. Consistencies ranged from vein structure, stretch marks to darker and lighter skin areas. These are truly the marks most P.E.ers where. these are the marks that people who do not engage in PE lack. I will give my opinion at the end of this update.

ARE MEN BORN WITH IT:
Again my opinion, but I think the difference between men who never P.E.ed fall into the average size area within about an inch either way. I think that men who engaged in alot of masturbation growing up may have slightly longer units than the people who didn’t due to the constant pulling. So I think men are not born huge...I think most of us are born with the same opportunity as the next.


HOW THIS APPLIES TO PE and MY FINAL SIZE OPINIONS
I think we can assume now that Sean Michaels prob. hangs or John Holmes was an avid jelquer...but what I am sure of is these impressive men shared the knowledge we have here at peforums. Each one has a similar penis to the next, sharing definite tell tales of pe. I think with this in mind it gives us the needed confidence to tackle our pe goals with a new understanding that before was mythical. I determined my opinions on a vast amount of information. I have searched far and near and looked at countless images with a slew of never ending text. My curiousity has determined some new ways of thinking thus far. To date here are my newest views.

1.) The largest men out there are the men in these forums
2.) Race only plays a roll when the myths drive certain races to find PE
3.) Men are born equal
4.) A massive penis is 8x6 respectively IMO
5.) There are exceptions to all of this but a very small amount.

Part 9 will be another graphic post featuring some big men and my conclusions on there size. Should be fun.

RB
10-18-2002, 10:03 AM
Damn, 1 more inch of girth and I'll be huge :)

I agree with everything you typed. This thread has sure put a different outlook on things for me. Where I had always suspected as such in the back of my mind, I never had the proof to feel confident enough to believe it. Now I do. Thanks!

Looking forward to the next part.

mirlin1960
10-18-2002, 12:26 PM
""The conclusion may surprise most of us but invariably it came out to be between 8 and 8.5” with an average girth of 6”.""

Well I'll be tied!! LOL
I started with close to that and thought I was only average (Penis anxiety?) and mostly due to some ED I think from lack of use. But if what you say is true then at 8.5 X 6.25 that I am in the "HUGE" category puts this post in a "PE defining moment" for me especially!!


Thanks DLD
I am going to smirk this weekend while I rest and know that.

RB
10-18-2002, 01:58 PM
DLD, I'm curious. In your pic looking adventure, did you notice any evidence of morphing or other pic doctoring, or did the guys you considered big appear larger than they really are because of camera angles or the other illusions you've edumacated us on?

Also, when you stated the size for the big guys, was this all nbp?

doublelongdaddy
10-20-2002, 09:41 AM
Thanks guys I am glad this is helping yall. The next part is finished, it features Ron Jeremy, John Holmes, Sean Michaels, Rocco Siffredi and Mr. 18inch. All picture series that should give a more difinitive perspective on size. This set will feature actual measurements, with rulers and life size images.

RB, I always add .75" for Bone Pressed readings and remember when I do a subject I overestimate EVERYTHING in favor of the subject. I have seen alot of trickery which I will tackle in the final part.

doublelongdaddy
10-21-2002, 06:06 AM
Part 9: The Big Boys

The people I se to analize were chosen for 3 different reasons. The first reason is that each comes from a diversified background in race and era. The second reason is their popularity. The third reason is each subject has been rumored to have an over estimated size. I do not feel any of this dishonesty is by way of the stars themselves. I believe blame to be on the media and how they exploit these men and prostitute dishonest sizes to capitalize. I have a great respect for each one of the subjects chosen and feel them to be our P.E. allies. I want everyone to know that I think these are among the biggest out there and I give each one of them props for there immense size and (assuming) dedication to their own P.E. programs. I am in no way trying to discredit these men, I am only trying to create a more realistic environment for us to gauge our goals, success and desires by.

Sean Michaels: Rumored to be in the 12+ inches range.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, female. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.
http://web.ecomplanet.com/SALV5572/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/SALV5572CustomImage0018931.jpg

Rocco Sifferedi: Rumored to be in the 9.5+ inches range.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, male. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.
http://web.ecomplanet.com/SALV5572/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/SALV5572CustomImage0026534.jpg

Ron Jeremy: Rumored to be in the 9.75 inches.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, male. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.
http://web.ecomplanet.com/SALV5572/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/SALV5572CustomImage0031995.jpg

[/b]Mr. 18: Rumored to be in the 18 inches.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, female. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.
http://web.ecomplanet.com/SALV5572/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/SALV5572CustomImage0043803.jpg

John Holmes: Rumored to be in the 13+ inches range.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for hand breadth size, female. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.
http://web.ecomplanet.com/SALV5572/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/SALV5572CustomImage0054810.jpg

[b]How this relates to PE
This series of test gives the much needed encouragement to any of us who are suffering with a poor self image. When illusion, dishonesty and effects are eliminated the size anxiety becomes more easy to deal with. Knowing that these men of size, who most of us admire them for, is something we can realistically acquire through hard work and dedication to PE brings a calming feeling to me. I hope each one of you who has gained interest in this thread has gotten the extra confidence to push on. I did this for many reasons, which I will discuss in the final part, but mainly to help the people here that have helped me by giving back.


The last part of this is going to be my own acount of feelings I went through doing this study. As much of my friends here know I suffer from O.C.D. and B.D.D. and the fact that I even got through this study is a miricle. I learned alot and confronted alot. I can't wait to share this with you guys.

luvdadus
10-21-2002, 06:21 AM
Your work is quite impressive. I am not computer literate enough to say whether your assumptions in your analysis would hold up to a critique by someone who knows how to analyze images etc.
However if it is reasonably sound you might consider writing a booklet derived from your analyses and experience, this could be a great tool for psychologists helping men who have ocb/bdd.

RB
10-21-2002, 06:56 AM
Mr 18 is only 9? Damn, I wish my wife thought I was twice as big as I am :)

I think you just dealt a mighty hammer blow to the porn industry, in my mind at least. Knowing that I am within a scant inch or so of these guys, well, it's a damn good feeling. 9 months ago, I was on in the small catagory of every size chart I saw. Now, I'm knocking on the legends doors...WOOHOO :)

DLD, I can only imagine the feelings and weight lifted from you shoulders as you complete this study. Thanks so much for facing your demons and bringing it to us.

twatteaser
10-21-2002, 09:53 AM
You may have given me that little ounce of focus that I so desperately needed

goingdeep
10-21-2002, 11:54 AM
DLD,

Just wanted to thank you again for the fine work!

regularwhiteguy
10-22-2002, 07:22 AM
DLD,

Your work should go into the PE Hall of Fame! I've been reading your posts so much I forgot to thank you for all of your hard work... You've got quite the head on 'your shoulders', sure your not doing BE (brain exercises) LOL... Thanks, Oh and please thank JEn again for the RWG Butt shot....

doublelongdaddy
10-22-2002, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by regularwhiteguy
DLD,

Your work should go into the PE Hall of Fame! I've been reading your posts so much I forgot to thank you for all of your hard work... You've got quite the head on 'your shoulders', sure your not doing BE (brain exercises) LOL... Thanks, Oh and please thank JEn again for the RWG Butt shot....

No problem RWG...I am glad it made your birthday a little brighter

I am going to work on the final segment tonight

BMU
10-22-2002, 11:26 AM
Again a fantastic part DLD!!! And I think your methods of measurement are in any case accurate. The only thing that might be ... we do not know if the guys on the pictures are really 100% hard, I think a few of them are not 100%. But well, even if we might add half an inch or so ... we now have an idea how big they are really. Thanks for that fascinating work DLD!

I wish the one or other of the "big guys" would read this forum and post their comment ;)

doublelongdaddy
10-22-2002, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by BMU
Again a fantastic part DLD!!! And I think your methods of measurement are in any case accurate. The only thing that might be ... we do not know if the guys on the pictures are really 100% hard, I think a few of them are not 100%. But well, even if we might add half an inch or so ... we now have an idea how big they are really. Thanks for that fascinating work DLD!

I wish the one or other of the "big guys" would read this forum and post their comment ;)

I was going to make a side note about this...You kind of read my mind. I picked the biggest pictures of these men I could find on a equal 3 dementional plain as the method of mesurement to eliminate as much room for error. Also BMU take note that each picture is a overestimation. I give the advantage to the subject when measuring.

but a side note about flacid size in advertising. Don't let this fool you. In most cases when I searched flaccid size I found 2 examples in almost every case. Real flaccid and excited flaccid. The real flaccid pictures are harder to come by but they are out there with the more popular people. In any case a freshly jelqued penis is much more impressive in a flaccid state then a completely untouched flaccid size. Most actors would never allow this picture as for there own insecurities. So keep in mind the tickle factor when seeing flacid pictures...rarely are they trully flaccid.

WantToBeThick
10-22-2002, 10:50 PM
Great work. I always felt inadaquate when watching porn and just wrote it off to them being freaks. In addition, all your parts have been fascinating.

Thanks,

doublelongdaddy
10-23-2002, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by WantToBeThick
Great work. I always felt inadaquate when watching porn and just wrote it off to them being freaks. In addition, all your parts have been fascinating.

Thanks,

Wow ...this is what I wanted to do, I am so glad you have found confidence here! I will have the last part up hopefully tommorow if I ever get some time...Aggggg.

RB
10-23-2002, 02:08 PM
Last part? You mean this is gonna end? I don't think so... :)

want1more
10-23-2002, 03:28 PM
"The largest men out there are the men in these forums"

bwahahahahaha

*evil laugh*

I will build a tool of destruction and use it to take over the WORLD!!!!

no, seriously, this is good shit. rocco, 7.5? heh heh. and the porn star, savanna, said that he's absolutely huge. isn't that fantastic?

BUT

what about lexington steele? that guy's dick is sorta unreal. maybe he's just an exception.


well done DLD, this is a fanTASTIC thread. the contrast bit was also great. I can't tell you how good I think this is... you should do this type of research for a living. don't you think it's strange that nobody's done something ike this before? you could blackmail the pr0n industry... or you and jen could become the 'biggest' porn stars EVER.

:)

bigbutnottoo
10-23-2002, 04:28 PM
Lexingtong Steele isnt that huge. He is just really hard, performs with sub-5 ft females, and is shaved. He is about 8.5x6.


However, Lex's friends Jack and Mandingo are huge.

There is no way Mandingo is less than 10".

I agree with the studies, but none of those people are really from this era (most of those guys peaked at least 5-10 years ago), which has had a real explosion in the Big Dick porn sub-genre with
the Chasing the Big Ones, and Something About Jack series. All those guys are huge considering Lex is the smallest one. But it is just the same 3 guys alwayds performing. I think Sean Michaels and Lex are more well known of the black guys because they are acceptable as far as being in mainstream "white" porn whereas the really huge guys only do the Big Dick porn.

As far as white guys, the main big ones these days are Julian ( jill kelly's husband) who is listed at 9+ but probably about 8, Lee Stone, listed at 11, and Brandon Iron who is about9 abd really thick.

Yes, I watch too much porn, and if I hadnt seen porn when I was 13 I probably would not be heree and would be happy with my 8x5.25.

goingdeep
10-23-2002, 04:33 PM
Lex is definately longer than Jack. Mandingo may be the only person who is longer. But Lex is definately HUGE. There is no way that he is only 8.5 and Jack and Mandingo are 10+.

bigbutnottoo
10-23-2002, 04:37 PM
on further thought. I agree . Jack is a lot thicker though. But mandingo is definitely the longest. hes swinging a 3rd leg around

bigbutnottoo
10-23-2002, 04:40 PM
I dont think Lex is bigger than 8.5 because mine looks exactly the same as his but its white and I am 8". His looks a little thicker than mine and maybe a little longer.

Jonah Falcon said Lex was measured at 8.5" but I know a lot of people wouldnt think Jonah is honest.

They were both on that HBO documentary together and supposedly all the guys were measured off camera and Jonah was 13.5 and lex was 8.5.

I have read before that John holmes was measured in a sstill photo and he was 9.5

goingdeep
10-23-2002, 04:51 PM
Jack's girth is HUGE (has to be around 7inches). He sometimes has problems getting into porn chicks. Mandingo's dick is just fuckin ridiculous. It's just too big man...he always has like 4 inches of penis that never even gets in. I don't know who Jonah is...never heard of him?

bigbutnottoo
10-23-2002, 04:57 PM
Jonah Flacon claims to hhave the worlds biggest. He is not a porn star, somewhat of a NY/internet celebrity. Walks around NY wearing white bicycle shorts with a 9 inch flaccid or semi.

He was on howard stern and has been written up in Salon, Village voice etc. Most people in contact claim maybe he has the worlds biggest dick, but he also IS the Worlds Biggest Dick.

He used to be gay, now he is Bi. Used to be 12.5 now he is 13.5. Claims to be the son of John Holmes and he claims to have fucked Christopher Reeves.

Lex and Jonah were both on the HBo documentary " Private Dicks" about 3 years ago.

http://www.planetrapido.com/gwp/jonah/frame_2.htm

The url is to Jonah and his Whale

doublelongdaddy
10-24-2002, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
Lexingtong Steele isnt that huge. He is just really hard, performs with sub-5 ft females, and is shaved. He is about 8.5x6.


However, Lex's friends Jack and Mandingo are huge.

There is no way Mandingo is less than 10".

I agree with the studies, but none of those people are really from this era (most of those guys peaked at least 5-10 years ago)


bigbutnotto, Again you bring the same thing the media brings...assumption. Mandingo size is what media portrays...the logic here is , they say he is 13"...it looks big to me...therefore it is 13". I say bullshit....I have given more than enough room for wrror in every case I have studies Lexx and Jack included, and while I agree these men are MASSIVE....they are not what the media says most of the time...I am in no way trying to dis the actors at all...I feel they are fellow PE'ers, and role models we can look up to...but I am not going to take someones word for it...I DEMAND EVIDENCE...the closest evidence I have seen to accurate size is the painfully thorough evidence I have presented. Please do not take what I am saying as an attack on anyone. I only present this study to help my fellow PE brothers realize their goals and dreams. If someone is 12+inches out there...CONGRATS...You did it....I just have Not seen this yet.

goingdeep
10-24-2002, 09:34 AM
I agree DLD. I'm certainly not saying that these guys have 12"+ cock. Your study really put alot of things in perspective. To me, this post in the most important post in the his of PE. It comforts people psychologically and goes to the root of why some people PE in the first place...because they feel inadequate in comparison to porn stars, which are most likely the only dicks they see besides their own. But all things said, Mandingo has a fucking long cock. I wouldn't even want one remotely close to that large, you would rarely be able to use it. He looks like a circus freak.

Your study has also helped me realize that alot of these guys PE. You can definately see the effects with the baseball bat shapes, or very large girth at the base that comes from hanging, etc. DLD your work is much appreciated. You deserve some type of PE award...a novel prize for PE or something!

RB
10-25-2002, 02:30 PM
DLD, While we're waiting for the wrap up of this stellar study, could you put your considerable skills into estimating the size of this guy?

http://www.bigmovies.com/honey/bcblue-sublime.htm

I have no clue who he is, and they say "movies are impossible to fake", but this guy looks pretty big. I'm guessing 9" range, with a lot of girth. What do you think?

crazyJLK
10-25-2002, 04:59 PM
bah, that guy looks 7....

doublelongdaddy
10-26-2002, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by RB
DLD, While we're waiting for the wrap up of this stellar study, could you put your considerable skills into estimating the size of this guy?

http://www.bigmovies.com/honey/bcblue-sublime.htm

I have no clue who he is, and they say "movies are impossible to fake", but this guy looks pretty big. I'm guessing 9" range, with a lot of girth. What do you think?

6.75" very nice Girth (about 6")...blown up until hand breadth of women measured 3.5" (again much larger than U.S. average) blown up 350%. Also note the angle of photo. In this position, the back side angle our penis appears largest (all that cock tucked into your ball sack that does not count.). You are not only getting her head above the penis at a dwarfed size but you are also getting the penis very close to the camera creating the illusion of more size than there really is.
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crazyJLK
10-26-2002, 10:51 AM
booya, crazyjlk knows his penis sizes!

btw, where is part 10 dld? we're waiting....

doublelongdaddy
10-28-2002, 05:13 AM
I will try to update this today. I have been going through O.C.D. crap again since Saturday so I have been dealing with that. Sorry to those who have been following this.

RB
10-28-2002, 07:03 AM
HOLY CRAP! 6.75"? That's an eye opener... I need to get me a video camera and a small headed cock bobber :)

Just proves to me that I still can't judge pics for shit. Hopefully part 10 will give some pics and examples in how to accurately judge them. I thought I judged the above movies accurately.

doublelongdaddy
10-29-2002, 06:00 AM
I am not avoiding this thread, well maybe I am...My O.C.D. and this stupid injury are really messing with me. I will continue this as soon as I get my head straight....gghhhh

Kastro
11-04-2002, 09:09 PM
Now it's been a while DLD and you've left some of us hangin and let this slide to the back. So I'm gonna bump this back up there. Still wantin for your wisdom. Hell Pimpin mane you not the only person that measures and remeasures thinkin you cheated. I feel your pain now let's work on some group therapy again. But don't rush nothing on the behalf of me or anyone. I hope yu come back to this thread soon.

sizemoore
11-05-2002, 12:19 AM
I´m ashamed to admit that today is the first time I read this thread. Don´t know why I have skipped it, but I did.

After reading it just now, I´m short of words. DLD, this might be the greatest and possibly most important PE-related stuff ever written. This material should be public knowledge - it should be made into a folder that you could pick up at every doctor´s office, every sl and every farmacy.

Amazing job, amazing material.

/sizemoore

doublelongdaddy
11-05-2002, 05:21 AM
thankyou size, I appreciate those kind words

kas, I am putting together the next part now. i will get it up today.

dld

Kastro
11-05-2002, 10:36 AM
Now you know I couldn't just let this thread slip away. I went lookin for it and saw it on the 3-4 page and was like oh hell naw. Like size said this thread is important and needs to be seen by all. So I shall make sure it stays in fresh circulation. If anyone readin this sees this thread get pushed back bump it back up. The General discussion forum is visited more than the best thread forum.

RB
11-05-2002, 12:00 PM
I don't think this thread will hit the best post forum until it's run it's course, way too much good info to be shared and commented on. I don't believe the best thread forum allows new posts...

Can't wait for the next installment DLD, but take your time, we understand what you're going through...

doublelongdaddy
11-05-2002, 12:03 PM
Thanks for understanding RB...I just got done reposting this over at Thundersplace too. I have been working on the last part and I have some good stuff just need a bit more time.

Flatline02002
11-09-2002, 09:56 AM
Just wanted to renew this great post. Keep up the good work up
DLD.....

9totake
11-09-2002, 10:16 AM
"Part 2: A deeper look at Size Illusion"

Another thing you might notice from the first picture is his cock is hung at a downward angle this two give an illusion of him being longer. It is like standing looking straight at a semi trailer vs taking and standing at the end of it looking at it at about a 20 degree angle it make the trailer look much longer vs just looking straight on at it.

Another point is in porns where they take and want to give the illusion that the guy is hung they will use a special lens that warped and makes what is in the center of it look larger but on the edges of the scene the picture is more out of focus, this is caused by the lens being warped.

One other trick is to take and only show the shaft of the cock and not all the way up to the body, just very close making it appear longer because you don't know where it ends.

Angle shots work well for size illusion too. This goes back to the trailer example above. Take and shoot the shot from either side behind and to the side of the guy and you get that effect. Like in doggy style.

for between the legs shots (like video taping missionary position). the guys take and pull their balls up and out of the way exposing more shaft to the camera another nice trick to make it look like they are longer.

This is why you will see wild and UNSUPPORTED claims of size on box covers, but will NEVER see them hold a tape measure up or at least have one the girls do it in the video. All fluff, lol and yes that is pun.

Oh, DLD great research and good job debunking the myth. Dick size in porn is the biggest BS campaign I have ever seen. I love the box covers where on one the guy is 10" long then you will see him on another listing him as 12" or more. LOL

9totake

9totake
11-09-2002, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by doublelongdaddy


6.75" very nice Girth (about 6")...blown up until hand breadth of women measured 3.5" (again much larger than U.S. average) blown up 350%. Also note the angle of photo. In this position, the back side angle our penis appears largest (all that cock tucked into your ball sack that does not count.). You are not only getting her head above the penis at a dwarfed size but you are also getting the penis very close to the camera creating the illusion of more size than there really is.
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most girls in porn are petite and are probably 3" wide hands another nice way to look big, keep your big hands off it and keep the little girls hands on it.

I would guess he is 7-8 range.

9totake

9totake
11-09-2002, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by goingdeep
Lex is definately longer than Jack. Mandingo may be the only person who is longer. But Lex is definately HUGE. There is no way that he is only 8.5 and Jack and Mandingo are 10+.

I would guess lex is 9-9.5" and Mandingo is around 10". Jack is the shortest I think he is like 9".

lex power stretched his dick with weights, you can just see the tissue damage on the ridge of his cock head from it.

9totake

doublelongdaddy
11-09-2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by 9totake


I would guess lex is 9-9.5" and Mandingo is around 10". Jack is the shortest I think he is like 9".

lex power stretched his dick with weights, you can just see the tissue damage on the ridge of his cock head from it.

9totake

very nice information

9totake
11-10-2002, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by doublelongdaddy


very nice information

Actually did the head size test on Lex using 1 3/4 inch long head average size on him and measuring the total length which came to 3.75" inches (.75" for the head) in the picture. 3.75/.75= 5 then 5 x 1.75 = 8.75". So, if half an inch error it would make him 9.25" at best.

9totake

RB
11-15-2002, 07:33 AM
DLD, you close to continuing this thread? Really looking forward to the test :)

VRMan
11-19-2002, 11:44 AM
DLD, this is indeed a very interesting thread. It gives me the warm feeling that I am not the only guy in the world who thinks about this wierd stuff. In fact, I have thought about many things you mentioned myself, wondering why a dick appears big and another one doesn't although they are just 1 inch in length apart... (Although I have never had the energy or skill to do your kind of research on the subject...)

There is one more thing I would like to add which I found out. I realized this when I was in thy gym, trying to figure out what my workout goal should be. I noticed that some guys just look more muscular than others, although the measures may be similar or even equal. Look at some guys in the gym, listen to your first impression about their strength and muscular look, than actually try to gauge their strength and muscle mass. You will see that one guy who appears normal-built or untrained may have about the same biceps size, shoulder width etc. as another guy who look sstrong and hard-bodied at first sight . I know it sounds strange, and I don't know the cause, but to me it's true.

Same goes for breasts on women and, I think, penises. Large breast and large penises have a certain characteristics of behavior, like what they swing around like, how they hang, how large the aureola (in case of breasts) or the veins (in case of penis) are, etc.
I am not sure what it is exactly, but to me it is a fact that some penises look more impressive than others, despite similar or equal measures.

Hope this makes sense to someone. I know it sounds strange....

shorty
11-19-2002, 05:38 PM
Take a look at some of the guys at bigcockmovies.com, they are definately longer than 10. There is a pic of a woman holding the longest cock i've ever seen, must be about 15 inches. Is it real?

6wants7
11-20-2002, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by shorty
Take a look at some of the guys at bigcockmovies.com, they are definately longer than 10. There is a pic of a woman holding the longest cock i've ever seen, must be about 15 inches. Is it real?

No. I think there's a reason why all the guys in these movies still have pants on, with their dick sticking out of it.. ;-) (they have something to hide at the base)

doublelongdaddy
11-20-2002, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by shorty
Take a look at some of the guys at bigcockmovies.com, they are definately longer than 10. There is a pic of a woman holding the longest cock i've ever seen, must be about 15 inches. Is it real?

Shorty, read my whole study please before making these type of claims....Thank You

RB
11-20-2002, 12:11 PM
DLD, got another part coming soon to this fine thread?

doublelongdaddy
11-20-2002, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by RB
DLD, got another part coming soon to this fine thread?

Yes, I have been swamped with Jen's new site and other shit. I feel so guilty neglecting my duties here and at Thunders but I have just been swamped. Hopefully things will straighten out soon and I can re-organize my frazeled brain. When I see people claiming to have seen 15" cocks after reading my study it does not help either, so with some still believing the hype it looks as though a part ten is in order.

shorty
11-20-2002, 05:51 PM
Take a look for yourself DLD. there is a pic of a woman holding two dicks, one white, one black. The white one looks like a snake.
Is this some sort of plastic dick that the guy is wearing or is it real? What is the longest dick ever recorded in the guiness book of world records, I bet it is more than 12 inches.

3000gt
11-20-2002, 06:04 PM
The picture you're referring to is completely fake. Just as DLD mentioned, you cannot see the base of any of thoses dicks. There is a reason for that. If it looks too big to be true, it is.

3000GT

pole
11-21-2002, 12:26 AM
what you say make's a lot of sense to me.

And don't forget the overall body type and proportions!
DLD mentioned this as well in an earlier part of this post.

I for example are 1,93 m, approx.88 kg, very little fat and EBPL 20cm.

Sounds not so bad, I would say but when I stand alone in Front of a mirror, I feel small, skinny and with a small penis too.

BUT, I'm still shocked( really!) everytime I'm in a gym making dumbell curls or so next to a guy with a height of 1,75m let's say whom I judged before as very muscular, and see us side to side in the mirror.

Then this guy is like a DWARF compared to me and I become aware that his arms are much shorter then mine and by no means bigger but a little smaller!

The same holds true for penis size in the lockerroom after.
I think this guy has a big dick but again the direct mirror contest shows that I'm the "winner"!

The question is:
As I experienced this often enough now, why still can't I compare myself to others more objective?

take care,

pole

doublelongdaddy
11-21-2002, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by shorty
Take a look for yourself DLD. there is a pic of a woman holding two dicks, one white, one black. The white one looks like a snake.
Is this some sort of plastic dick that the guy is wearing or is it real? What is the longest dick ever recorded in the guiness book of world records, I bet it is more than 12 inches.

The largest medically verified penis on record is 13.5 inches long and 6.25 inches around, documented in the early twentieth century by Dr. Robert L. Dickinson. This too could be tainted by the way the penis was measured. In the most famous penis survey conducted by Alfred Kinsey, Masters and Johnson, the largest verified penis was in fact only 9" so this puts a huge question mark on the Dickinson measurement.

I am not saying the 12" penis is not out there or has never existed. What I am saying is if it is prove it to me and I will pat you on the back and say good job. I exausted myself with this study and had numerous people send me images in which were posed for analysis. Each time the measurement fell below the 10" mark.

I think a huge problem with people is this. When I see a penis that is big I fail to see the accurate measurement initially and the bigger the penis the more difficult it becomes to rationally see a measurement. If you are like most men, we are programed to see a big penis and automatically see it as a 14" penis. 14" is un-FUCKING-real. Take a piece of paper measuring 14" by 7"...roll it up length wise and tell me that you have seen a penis that fits this scale. Now take an empty paper towel roll and look at this, again it is un-FUCKING-real and this is 11". We are programed to see a big penis as a unreal number when in fact we forget that and 8" penis is massive. Do the same test with a standard 8.5" piece of paper and I think seeing this in reality will cure most of your size illusions. Sorry about spelling...typing quick

doublelongdaddy
11-21-2002, 06:37 AM
Hear is the picture of myself that is in the before and after shots of me. This picture is about 6 months old and since then I have increased almost 1.5"...Once I get enough confidence I will shoot more pics. of my newest size. I did find the pictures of Jen giving me head which is a great erect shot where she has two hand on my penis on equal plains which shows the measurement even better. I have completed this picture too and will upload it soon.

Edit: Sorry the unit of measurement here is against my foot. My Foot measres just over 10". (I have small feet)

http://www.mygreenpoint.com/jenn/D9_25.jpg

VRMan
11-21-2002, 09:48 AM
Pole,

thank you very much for your feedback. It's good to see that I am not the only one with this kind of problems, and also good to hear that someone else can relate to my rambling about the bigger "look" of penises otherwise unrelated to their size.

You said:
"The question is:
As I experienced this often enough now, why still can't I compare myself to others more objective?"


OH YESS. I hear you. Same here. I am sure a lot of people on this board suffer from this.

Take care

VRMan

Gandolf
11-21-2002, 04:34 PM
I was downloading some classic porno clips on my computer (yea I know, I need a woman) and I noticed that a lot of the guys with the big dicks in probly the 8X6 range could not get/maintain an erection. It is well known that a lot of these men have have the penis enlargement surgery which purportedly works in the case of increasing size, yet can have horrbile side effects in terms of penis rigidity. Many claim the penis takes on a squishy feel, almost like breasts. Also, this could be attributed to pumps. I do think the pump has merit as both a temporary and permanent enlargement tool when used with manual PE, however, after an intense pump session, my dick isn't nearly as hard as it usually as. So remember, often times in the porn industry, what you're seeing isn't really what you're seeing. And sometimes, even when it is theres more to the s, such an penile implants and pumps that rob a dick of its erection powers.

AverageSized
11-21-2002, 04:39 PM
Gandolf, that's why I started that thread.. about anyone ever get too big from PE'n... and not being able to get the rock hard erections they should have.

That would be my #1 worry if I had a large cock.
Like I read once in a book ... "Most women would want a rock hard smaller penis, then a half hard larger penis"

Gandolf
11-21-2002, 05:26 PM
True, but its not so much the fact that the penis is TOO BIG to be properly filled with blood. Yet, the pump just causes the penis to be squishy and penis implants do the same. Naturally growing your dick through PE wont cause erection problems until you start measuring in feet instead of inches. In fact, it causes your erections to be stronger.

AverageSized
11-21-2002, 05:54 PM
Exactly, that's why I PE personally.

For longer and harder erections... and the size is just a bonus.

My girl is plenty happy with my size and performance, but I'm just trying to add more and more. Since this is the woman I plan on spending my life with.

And I don't hide it from her, I've told her I'm doing "peeny exercises" ... She just giggles and says.. "You already blow my mind honey.. but whatever you wish"

RB
11-25-2002, 06:43 AM
Part 10 Part 10 PART 10!!!!

:)

PyRate
11-25-2002, 10:14 AM
thank you, thank you, thank you...I had ignored this post for a while, but I'm glad I looked at it...I realised there were visual illusions and exagerations, I felt REALLY insecure watching Lex and Mandingo...glad to know, I'm really not that far away....

This wil do alot to help relieve most men's insecurities from watching porn....

doublelongdaddy
11-25-2002, 10:41 AM
I am so sorry guys for not getting around to this. My father has taken seriously ill and I have not had that much time going back and forth to the hospital. I promise to get to it.

hammerhead
11-25-2002, 11:41 AM
DoubleLongDaddy

My best wishes to your father. Take care and best of luck.

Hammer

doublelongdaddy
11-25-2002, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by hammerhead
DoubleLongDaddy

My best wishes to your father. Take care and best of luck.

Hammer

Thank you so much Hammer...All I can do now is wait to see if he makes it through this.

RB
11-25-2002, 11:47 AM
DLD, take all the time you need, and I'll send some prayers your way...

Take care...

doublelongdaddy
12-04-2002, 01:01 PM
Lots of new stuff flying aroun the forum..thought it apropriate to Bump....and I will update it tommorow...Just hearing the stuff people still think puts fire under my ass.

regularwhiteguy
12-04-2002, 05:54 PM
Best wishes for your Family DLD... My prayers are with you.

twatteaser
12-04-2002, 06:29 PM
Hope all works well for you in this holiday season with the family and life. TT

doublelongdaddy
12-05-2002, 05:28 AM
I love you TT!

I thought this be appropriate here also.

Chad has a very rare penis...it is indeed huge. I consider Chad a P.E. brother. He looks as though he worked very hard for his tool. I put Chad right around 8.5" Bone Pressed.
Here are my illustrations. I will post this in the other thread too.
http://www.mygreenpoint.com/jenn/Chad1.jpg
http://www.mygreenpoint.com/jenn/Chad2.jpg

RB
12-05-2002, 06:25 AM
In the pic where he's standing with his erect dick pointing straight down... Do you think this is a sign he coulda had the surgery and had the suspensory lig cut?

newman1
12-05-2002, 06:25 AM
I typed a reply but do not see it here. the blacks on blondes have a few guys that seem large especially one guy. How about do your analysis on him as he is reported to be 14 or so I think he could be around ten myself. This is a wonderous thread to help self esteem. One of the best posts yet and I have been around since dec 1999. This guy is well known pics are availaable on the hun in form of still and sample movies. So it is free. Only one or two of the guys are really really large. Thanks

doublelongdaddy
12-05-2002, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by RB
In the pic where he's standing with his erect dick pointing straight down... Do you think this is a sign he coulda had the surgery and had the suspensory lig cut?

A trick I saw used before if a fishing line is tied around the glans and pulled back between the legs with a full erection to create the illusion of being more hung than he is. But the lig cut is also possible.

Originally posted by newman1
I typed a reply but do not see it here. the blacks on blondes have a few guys that seem large especially one guy. How about do your analysis on him as he is reported to be 14 or so I think he could be around ten myself. This is a wonderous thread to help self esteem. One of the best posts yet and I have been around since dec 1999. This guy is well known pics are availaable on the hun in form of still and sample movies. So it is free. Only one or two of the guys are really really large. Thanks

The largest penis that I have seen on Blacks on Blondes did fall close to 9.5". But remember this out of every site that I studies Blacks on Blondes has the most deceptive photography and smallest female models.

Gandolf
12-05-2002, 05:05 PM
OK, I'm not here to make enemies, I simply have to ask you a question DLD, you claim that the largest penis you've ever come across in your search is 9.5 inches, yet you claim to be between 10.75 and 11. Yet, you wont post a clear picture of your penis with a ruler.

If you are more than an inch larger than any guy in the porn business, how on earth could you not have the condidence to post a CLEAR picture

I dont mean to hurt anyone's feelings here as many people including you have helped me tremendously with my limited gains from pe. While the porn industry is a bogus one full of bullshit, I can't help but think that this forum is too. I swear that at least 2/3 of the people here claim dicks in the 8X6 range or bigger and this thread implies that the biggest guys in porn, some of the largest dicks on earth are in the 7-8 inch range.

Once again, I'm not knoching anyone, I just think this needs to be addressed in this post. If theres an obvious answer I somehow missed I think it would motivate me and the rest of the skeptics.

regularwhiteguy
12-05-2002, 05:55 PM
Since I would be one of the guys claiming "at least 8" x 6.5" if Santa treats me like I hope he does with enough cash for a camera you will have a picture of mine w/ a ruler next to it.... :) Looking forward to restoring your faith....

christof
12-05-2002, 08:45 PM
It does seem like mine is a common size around here, even though it's supposed to be around the 95th to 99th percentile in the penis surveys. It doesn't really impress around here. Everyone's got a big dick here.

I haven't really gained anything..I got into PE because I want another inch or so, not because I was embarrased about what I had.

I wouldn't say the 7 or 8 inch dicks are some of the largest dicks on earth..but some of the people that claim to have among the largest dicks on earth are in the 8 to 9 inch range, no doubt about it.

Kastro
12-05-2002, 10:26 PM
Well I know there is alot of people out here that want to believe there are not really any dicks out there larger than 10 inches. Yes we've all came to th same conclusion that the porno Industry is full of shit. But to actually question DLD come one man. I'm not really gonna get upset cause it's not gonna lead anywhere but DLD is a friend of mine and it hurts me for people to doubt his size. Well ok look at it from this point of veiw when DLD came on the scene and amde the gains he did no one believed that someone could make those types of gains that quick. He showed he had an intense workout that many tried to follow but without the same results. Then RB came and he did an intense workout but unlike DLD he actaully took days off. But he still made the same gains. I like everyone esle was thinkin what in the hell I'm I doin wrong. Then I looked and seen they both did intense PC workouts which most of us pass up cause we felt it wouldn't benifit us with our goals. Now he nor RB really could explain why they gained and others didn't. But it all made sense if you would tire out the PC muscle enough that would make the Pull back factor lessened. So there is was all along and if DLD is lyin about his size well hell that's his business cause the things he says and the routines and exercises he comes up with make a lot of damn sense. So hell even if he doesn't want to show his dick to everyone all the time at least he came up with an exercise that will help you grow your dick bigger. Leave the man alone. I'm not attackin you cause I can understand you havin some doubt with so much being brought about about lies with sizes but please leave him be he's goin through so shit now. And Oh yeah for all y'all that think I'm just some nut that post every now and then think about that next time you do a DLD Blasters cause I'm the one that brought the idea of workin the PC to reduce Pull back factor, and he took that lil conversation and made it into something great. But I can see where you're comin from cause i personally thought that I had one of the biggest dick cause of the surveys then a few times of runnin trains on girls proved to me that I wasn't the only one with a niner or better, so that in turn kinda killed that notion for me. Just try not to bring someone esle down with that.

twatteaser
12-05-2002, 11:07 PM
If the shit works for people and they rave about it, does it matter to see some guy's dick? I mean photos could be doctored or manipulated? I assume maybe you would care to meet him in person and see of it is not made of styrofoam and paper-mache too? But perhaps you are under a svengali like influence that affects all other posters on PE Forums, and cult worship the man?

Perhaps Dld implanted a few tubes of crest in his pee pee to fool just you with of course all are collaberations too?
Do we need to review the photo and look for the dick on the grassy knoll too? Is ther more than one Peer in the photo? Was their multiple jelquers involved in the Dld Dick Conspiracy?

I know most of us here who accept DLD for all his contributions and flaws. Believe what you want to believe. But don't hassle a guy who has a run of shit luck lately and suffers from one of the severest OCD and BDD I have ever encountered as a psych student. If you read any of his posts you will see stuff like this really agitates his condition. DLD has helped countless members of people on PE Forums and Thunder's Place.

If you so need to see proof that this shit works look through the members pic section here and at www.thundersplace.com/forum. Look for posters like lil12big1 with documented photographic proof to satisfy your curiosity. Plenty of pics there. Also try Yguy's photos.

Perhaps you are simply applying PE incorrectly or maybe you suffer from one of those who can be helped by PE. It just won't grow no matter what. I hope not, but no body but you can rub your own dick and do PE for yourself. The dickgnomes working with the PE Elves and the Schlong Fairy don't run out from underneath your bed while you sleep and sprinkle sleeping dust over you and pull on your dick like it is some unwinterized old husquevarna chainsaw your trying to start in MAY.

Worst case scenario, we are all full of shit and making you play with yourself thinking your dick will grow. Is that really such a bad thing? Look for posters here, thunders and Power-jelq for non-gainers who finally figured it out. Doc is the name of one guy who comes to mind.

PS I wish I had an 8 by 6 dick. When will Santa bring me one? I'll settle for Briana Banks, a glass coffe table, some crazy glue, a fully stocked bar, a St Pauly's girl outfit for her,and a ton of laxatives instead.

Please post your situation in the hardgainer's forum and we will be glad to help you in any way possible. That's what it is there for.

Let's not try and degenerate this thread into a flaming texas pissing match. I don't even know how to split threads yet and I am sure the rest of the more experienced mods really love doing so. So play nice guys. OK?

Kastro
12-05-2002, 11:21 PM
he could Post many pictures of his unit on here all the time but what will that really prove?? Some will say maybe it's not him while other will say he doctored the pics ,cause hell we all know he knows how to work with pictures very very well. So it makes sense that he doesn't post more pics of his dick cause that would spark a whole other issue of doubt. All I'm sayin is if you're gonna fuck with anyone on the board don't let it be him and that's goin for anyone. And another thing everyone needs to worry bout their own dicks instead of worryin about the next man's dick all the time. Try to work on yours instead of tryin to prove someone as a liar hell from readin on this very thread we've all seen many lie about their size and are not as big as they claim but hell many seem to be more interested in disprovin size than makin thier own bigger. I know it's a relief to know that certain people are not as big as you thought before but it has gotten outrageous. It's something I've seen on this board and at Thunder's and that is a bad case of hatin on someone cause they bigger than you. Put as much work into PE as you do talkin this bullshit. But let me stop cause whenever I say something no one ever seems to think it's right.

nitro
12-06-2002, 04:14 AM
Hey guys.

Its obvious that DLD is one of the guys who is responsible for this site being so GREAT. Damn I think everybody agree on that. DLD IS THE MAN.


But I have to say I can relate to some extent to Gandolfs post.


I got a little disapointed when I found DLDs pics. Not because of his size, his dick is indeed looks HUGE.

I was very curious to see his pics, we are talking about the 10+ man who invented an exercise that gave me 0.2 inch in lenght in just one session ! But then when I found the pics ...... well I think I could say that his erect pics are taken from the WORST angle ever.


See, you go to the members forum and see lots of well taken pics from many diferents board users. I think its normal to expect the same from a guy who showed us to be filled so much knowledge and is the size king.

DLD, you are huge man, we are all curious and excited , you are like a hero for us ! Now show us a clear pic !!:D

doublelongdaddy
12-06-2002, 05:57 AM
Wow Gandolf that is a pretty mean thing you tried to do...As far as posting pictures I have posted many...and FYI I was not 10+ in those pictures I was 9" so please read everything before you make conclusions. As far as taking current pictures, I will but I have to say this, I already went through this shit when I first became a member here and I do not need to go through it again.

As far as shooting pictures of myself is concerned Gandolf, if you knew anything about me you would not even go there. My first set of pictures took so much to do and they took a very long time to get over due to my illness. I will shoot pictures WHEN I FEEL UP TO IT, you want proof look at the pictures I have already posted....If they are not good enough then look for proof somewhere else.

RB
12-06-2002, 06:30 AM
Case in point. I am in this for my own personal reasons and to better satisfy my wife. I felt inadequate all my life, found pe, and thank GOD the shit works so well for me. I came into this way of life a humble 5x4. I am now 8 3/8 by 5.5.

I can imagine several of you who have put in the time and done things correctly only to gain little if any, you have to hate me. I can sympathize. I don't know the answer, I can't tell you why this works so well for me and not you, believe me I wish I could.

But you know what? Not one single time have I ever been called on it. While many I'm sure suspect that I'm full of shit and just posting trash, not one person has stated so. If they did, that would be ok with me, I wasn't put on this earth to make doubter's happy. I know what the ruler says for me, and while I still have trouble believeing it, it's saying what it's saying.

You will never see a pic of me on this or any forum. It's not my style, and if it where, I have no way of accomplishing the task, let alone the desire to take the risks it would entail to do so just to try to convince people that deep down don't really want to be convinced, as this would force them to face the fact that either this shit doesn't work well for them and they have a much longer road ahead of them, they aren't doing it properly or with enough committment or enthusiasm, or they are one of the unfortunate few who are gonna measure where they are today for the rest of their lives.

I spend a lot of time here, as does DLD and others, as I have a genuine interest in helping others. I wish every one of you hard gainers could feel the elation I feel from doing pe.

But, DLD doesn't handle things the same way. He is wired a little differently, and is doing his best day by day to deal with an affliction many of you cannot phathom. Take a look at that pic of Jen giving him head. Look how far apart her hands are, and if I recall correctly, from the angle he took it at, it doesn't even look like her bottom hand is close to bone pressed. Now compare this in your mind to other similar BIG GUY porn shots you've seen. DLD is CLEARLY, from this ONE PIC, every bit of what he said he was at the time. I have NO REASON to doubt whatsoever that he is now longer. Why? I am also gaining, I exist, I know it's real and it works, so why on earth can't it work as well for him also?

Guys, remember why we're here. One of the greatest things about this place is the free sharing of knowledge and genuine interest in helping our fellow man unselfishly without the "my dick is bigger than your dick" crap that could EASILY be much more prevailent. In the future, those that have doubts, while no where near as large as DLD, I have had similar fast gains, so please take the shots at me, not DLD.

doublelongdaddy
12-06-2002, 07:42 AM
Gandolf, How dare you do this to me after all I have done for you. You know I have very serious problems and if your goal here was to hurt me, rest assured you have. I am not sure what your motives are, to expose me as a fake? To make me look bad? To attack me for something you feel bad about? I am not sure but I can't imagine why you would do this. I have more than proved myself to this forum long before you were here and I have been nothing but 100% honest with everyone I help privately and in the public forum...I do all this because I want to help. If it makes you feel good to do this then go for it but I once considered you a friend and now I see you as another reason why I never want to share any of my accomplishments.

Gandolf
12-06-2002, 08:14 AM
I think a lot of things need to be cleared up about my previous post. Never once did I attack anyone. DLD, I never said you DONT possess an 11 inch bone pressed dick. I was merely pointing out some VERY OBVIOUS flaws to this thread.

I think this thread was needed. We've proven this PE stuff works (I am not hostile to anyone here who has gained a lot, envious yes, but not hostile. As I have stated in my threads, I have finally gotton measurable gains for the first time in a long on and off PE career). This was all about motivation and clearing up preconceived notions about cock size. I wasn't bashing anyone else to try and make myself feel better. The whole point of this thread is that the average dick size is about 5-6 by 4-5 inches, porn stars are only moderately above average, and anyone can make their dick grow. Why would it make me feel better to say this isn't true???

It is a well known fact that porn stars possess some of the biggest dicks out there. According to the analysis on this page, the biggest of the big are only in the 8 inch range. Call me skeptical if you will but how is that possible if 2/3 of the guys here are over 8 inches??? Theres not a person here who can come up with a sensible answer except these figures are inaccurate, or probly even more so, the measuring techniques were different.

DLD and everyone who criticized me, please reread my original post. I think you'll find that is was done completely tastefully and I referred more to clearing up the points I brought up than calling anyone on their bullshit.

While I will always want more size, I won't delude myself into thinking that the average is 5.2 inches and the biggest porn guys are only 8-9 inches, b/c unless they're measuring differently, it simply ain't true.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with this post, I sure as hell didn't intend to.

christof
12-06-2002, 08:53 AM
Come on guys..you are taking this way too seriously. Gandolf made a legit point..don't be personally offended that he might feel that way. It's just the internet.

You guys are jumping all over it like people would on some kind of talk show..chill.

RB
12-06-2002, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Gandolf



1- It is a well known fact that porn stars possess some of the biggest dicks out there. According to the analysis on this page, the biggest of the big are only in the 8 inch range. Call me skeptical if you will but how is that possible if 2/3 of the guys here are over 8 inches??? Theres not a person here who can come up with a sensible answer except these figures are inaccurate, or probly even more so, the measuring techniques were different.

2- I referred more to clearing up the points I brought up than calling anyone on their bullshit.

3- While I will always want more size, I won't delude myself into thinking that the average is 5.2 inches and the biggest porn guys are only 8-9 inches, b/c unless they're measuring differently, it simply ain't true.


Gandolf, a few points I'd like to make concerning your above statements-

1- I wouldn't say 2/3 of the active POSTERS are around 8" or above, let alone 2/3 of the total. This strikes me as an inflated assumption. It makes sense that the ones who have had good gains will be doing a majority of the posting, with those wishing to make similar gains asking questions of them. In porn, you have a handful of guys who are larger than the bulk, who are above average. Statistically I don't see much difference or doubt they have big cocks, just not the 12-18" they advertise. DLD has proven this through his masterful pic measuring techniques which as stated in this thread error on the long side in favor of the person in the pic. Additionally, not everyone with a large penis has a desire to be in porn. I guess there is one person here who can come up with a sensible answer.

2- It may not have been your intent, but your post struck me and apparently others as a round about way of calling bullshit on people, er "clearing up the points"

3- 5.2" average size you reference is a complition of numerous different penis size studies, not put together by anyone here. Plus, 9" is almost 4 more inches of dick. That's a ton, visually. I also urge you to consider the impact girth has on our perception of size. Equal length dicks but one has more girth, it appears larger. You are free to believe what you want to believe, that is certainly your perogative. Hower, instead of just jumping in and saying you don't believe it cause "it simply ain't true", how about showing us why you don't believe it's true? Offer up proof using the big porn guys who you are convinced are much larger than the facts seem to show? I would read such info from you with great interest...

doublelongdaddy
12-06-2002, 09:22 AM
Moved

newman1
12-06-2002, 10:15 AM
have you guys noticed the difference from being big and really out there like huge is going from the 7 to 8 to 9 range. It seems when you leave 7 nbp and head toward 8 or 9 nbp it seems as if you have grown a foot. Just a thought. Still the best thread I have read dld wish you would break down the big guys on blacks on blonde here would be most decisive prove a lot. thanks man

RB
12-06-2002, 10:27 AM
Newman, I agree with that whole heartedly...

doublelongdaddy
12-06-2002, 10:43 AM
Moved the new photo here.:

http://www.peforum.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=33515#post33515

doublelongdaddy
12-06-2002, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Gandolf
It is a well known fact that porn stars possess some of the biggest dicks out there. According to the analysis on this page, the biggest of the big are only in the 8 inch range. Call me skeptical if you will but how is that possible if 2/3 of the guys here are over 8 inches??? Theres not a person here who can come up with a sensible answer except these figures are inaccurate, or probly even more so, the measuring techniques were different.

Gandolf I did this study to help people realize that most of the shit out there is full of it. As I have said before, I am not saying that the 13" penis is not out there, but if it is...I WANT PROOF...As hard as it was for me to shoot a picture today, I did this to give you proof. I did not want to shoot pictures until I was sure to be at 11". I have very serious problems with obsessing, and I could not get it out of my head until I proved this to the forum. I have nothing against you and I am sorry for comming off so mean, but I get very insecure when I think someone does not believe me. I have O.C.D. around honesty too and when my credibility comes into question I sort of freak out.

twatteaser
12-06-2002, 01:54 PM
Does this satisfy your claim now? Are you happy now? Or do you want the actual photograph and take it to the Pentagon to have it evaluated? I am sure the UN will find a few weapons of ass destruction in the pic.

Guys try and be SENSITIVE to another guy's plight NEXT TIME BEfore you post something. Are you going to demand proof from BIB (bigger) now? I mean he has never shown a photo either to the best of my knowledge. Go hassle him, I know he will give you a very excellent reply. That man is articulate and takes no shit, plus as a Texan maybe he is really good at a Texas pissing Match.

You wonder why people never post here even when they register? Shit like this man. I mean think of all the lurkers who have similair or possibly worse BDD and other disorders. Why are we all here? To try and get a bigger dick! I don't claim to be a Tony Robbin's and give motivational speeches on how to realize that you to can get a bigger dick. If it worked for you and you made some gains that is excellent. All gains are good. it is like putting on that winter coat you forgot you had and finding $20.00 in a pocket. Did you win the Powerball or the Biggame? No, but it sure made you happy.

NOW DLD weekend is fucking busted. He is obessing like a mother fucker and thinking probally to never post agin to avoid shit like this. What will happen nobody knows?

If this is a talk show, can I hit someone with a chair then? LOL!

PS The thread is about how people in the adult industry swear to be bigger than they are. How tricks and camera angles make it appear bigger. Never from what I read had DLD claimed to be like look how small those porn stars are to himself? I even feel like a douche for giving DLD strange ideas about how to cope and he figured this one thread out of it. His shining thread with a 5 star rating has been to help others, not formulate get attacked personally. He went up against a ton of anxiety researching this and the thread degenerates into a free for all.

newman1
12-06-2002, 02:59 PM
did you ever think you might be a state record? not world but state haha. I did not realize that lexington steel was the guy in the blacks on blondes. My fault so I guess you already ananlyzed him this was cool. thanks

christof
12-06-2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by twatteaser


Guys try and be SENSITIVE to another guy's plight NEXT TIME BEfore you post something. Are you going to demand proof from BIB (bigger) now? I mean he has never shown a photo either to the best of my knowledge. Go hassle him, I know he will give you a very excellent reply.

You wonder why people never post here even when they register? Shit like this man. I mean think of all the lurkers who have similair or possibly worse BDD and other disorders.

NOW DLD weekend is fucking busted. He is obessing like a mother fucker and thinking probally to never post agin to avoid shit like this. What will happen nobody knows?

I even feel like a douche for giving DLD strange ideas about how to cope and he figured this one thread out of it. His shining thread with a 5 star rating has been to help others, not formulate get attacked personally. He went up against a ton of anxiety researching this and the thread degenerates into a free for all.
I think you are overreacting. Why so serious? I hope it hasn't gotten so bad that people can't just speak their minds..there was no profanity or personal attack that I saw. I think it was a good point to address, honestly. Everyone here has not been here as long as you..that's why questions like that are raised. We don't all know each other, but I think it is proper for people to assume that we're all big boys and can handle a little heat.

There's a chair sitting in that corner over there--->
Think you can get to it before I do? Watch out for security.

doublelongdaddy
12-06-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by christof

I think you are overreacting. Why so serious? I hope it hasn't gotten so bad that people can't just speak their minds..there was no profanity or personal attack that I saw. I think it was a good point to address, honestly. Everyone here has not been here as long as you..that's why questions like that are raised. We don't all know each other, but I think it is proper for people to assume that we're all big boys and can handle a little heat.

There's a chair sitting in that corner over there--->
Think you can get to it before I do? Watch out for security.

Why so serious? I take everything here and everyone here VERY seriously. What you say about "Everyone here has not been here as long as you" this is true and before someone makes comments all the information about that person should be read.

twatteaser
12-06-2002, 04:36 PM
DLD is hardwired differently than the rest of us. I think after a ton of posting like lets say 45 or so you would have read the threads about him and seen what happens. I try and read the threads and look around before asking identical questions over and over. But that is just me. It is well known of the ocd he suffers from and is mentiobed in this thread many times including up towards the beginning of it. Let alone our little Bedlum the past dozen posts or so.

Maybe the situation could have been remedied better. But would not it been civil to say could I see a picture of your member now, maybe even using your ruler to head ratio that you proved on this thread already? You'll find that you can get results by putting your question in a dufferent perspective. I know it works for me in my life. So if a bastard like myself can get shit done by asking people, why throw fire on a situation or try an intimidate by physical force. But that's me and my life, not claiming any of you guys did that in thos thread.

The way some people interpet shit is very imporatant. If you asked just about anyone on this forum who DLd is they'll say the dude with the huge swantz, inventor of a ton of new exercises for all, a poster of his hot girl Jenn all over the place, and a guy with horrible BDD and OCD over his dick who always shares about it.

The photos have been posted, so its over and done with. The curiosity has been satisfied. All that i ask is try and not set people off. You now know. This thread is heavily read and posted upon even before this liitle skirmish. So in the future, please be as civil and polite as possible. I think just about everyone knows now.

Can we progress to the idea of the thread at hand now? Is that asking too much?

PS Maybe I overreact but I do so for a good reason to not see a good friend needlessly suffer when he already has much to chew on his plate this holiday season. Does that make me a bad guy? Oh wait i am always the bad guy as my martyr complex likes to say to me.So be it then. IF DLD is the Pope of PE, I guess I am Tomas De Torquenada the head Inquisitor. I think Dld is not a grudge holder, so this will fade.

I do find this amusing in that I am asking people to be sensitive, yet I am quite the person who can outdo a busload of toureete's afflicted people or a barfull of sailors on leave. Oh well shit happens.

Gandolf
12-06-2002, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by christof

I think you are overreacting. Why so serious? I hope it hasn't gotten so bad that people can't just speak their minds..there was no profanity or personal attack that I saw. I think it was a good point to address, honestly. Everyone here has not been here as long as you..that's why questions like that are raised. We don't all know each other, but I think it is proper for people to assume that we're all big boys and can handle a little heat.

There's a chair sitting in that corner over there--->
Think you can get to it before I do? Watch out for security.

christof, thank you so much for sticking up for me, I really never meant for any of this ish BS to happen. I honestly don't feel responsible for it though.

DLD, I saw the picture you posted today and it was huge. Wish mine looked like that. I meant no disrespect as you have been nothing but helpful and a friend to me since I began posting. You are the biggest asset to the PE community.

RB, to address teh 3 points again

1.The ACTUAL question I asked was "how can 2/3 of the guys here possibly have dick sizes that are equivalent to the biggest porn stars. Could my figure of 2/3 be off? Maybe. But even so, this thread says some of the biggest porn starts arent even 8 inches and hundreds and possibly thousands of the people here claim 8 inches. No one "proved" how big those porn guys are, it was complete speculation. I wasn't really in disbelief about the peforum members' sizes, moreso the supposed porn sizes. And no, you didn't give a sensible answer to my question.

2.I was 100% respectful in my post. I never said DLD or anyone else lied about their size. You can't give me one specific thing I said which was a personal attack on anyone. This thread DID degenerate into a pissing match, but not through my doing.

3.The 5.2 size which was stated on this thread by DLD I believe is wrong IMHO. The most convincing study on penis size with the least variables was that condom one, where the ave size was 5.87 by 4.9 NON BONE PRESSED.

Twatteaser, refer to everything that was said above as it addresses your post.

Guys, what can I say. for a bunch of guys (grown men with families and fulltime jobs for the most part) things really got out of hand. My point in my original post wasn't to "expose anyone as a fake" as several people stated. I simply think some people here just want to believe what they want to believe. When I stand up, take my BP length measurement, without using my other hand to correct my curvature, I come up between 7.25-7.5. This is after a moderate gain from PE. Now, I just tested, and when I sit down, jam the ruler into my pubic bone so hard it almost cuts me, angle my dick, and straighten it out, I'm over 8 inches. Does that make me as big as Ron Jeremy or Rocco? Fuck no. I don't want to live a lie, I'd much rather work my ass off until I DO have a dick that size. I believe DLD now and I believed him before all this that he is approaching 11 inches. I'm happy for him. Truly, I am. My main point is that those porn stars weren't given the benefit of the doubt. While their supposed sizes are grossly exagerated SOME of the time, their pictures were taken standing, partially flacid for the most part, and they weren't pulling on their dicks to straighten them out. I dont think its fair to state DLD's computed sizes as gospel.

Alright guys, as far as this thread goes, I'm out in terms of clearing up anything I said. I hope you guys have the maturity not to attack my opinions again, as that was all I did: State my opinion. I will however be checking this thread periodically, awaiting part 10. I'm sorry peoples' feelings were hurt and if you reread my original post, you will see that that was not my intention.

christof
12-06-2002, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by doublelongdaddy

Why so serious? I take everything here and everyone here VERY seriously.
Well, you shouldn't. This is the internet, after all. I admit, it's not my place to tell you this and I am probably out of line..Let me just say that I keep everything in perspective.

What you say about "Everyone here has not been here as long as you" this is true and before someone makes comments all the information about that person should be read.
I don't think that's fair. That's asking a hell of a lot. Furthermore, you are assuming that all of the relevant information was not reviewed in this case. Maybe the question was borne from the review of this information? We only know what we are told on here..there are no facts, aside from the color and the font size.

Look, I understand that you are sensitive and that people can really get to you on here. I'm sorry if you take things personally. I just want to remind you that you are the exception..it's not fair to demand that others somehow know all about you before saying anything. It's also not fair to expect no one to question your assertions. Aren't you questioning assertions in this very thread? What's fair is fair.

I don't know you and I don't know about any issues you might have..but most people with a penis as large as yours do not have any ego problems and can handle a little heat when talking about it. I'm sure you understand how people reasonably assume that. You can't ask for more than reasonable without imposing.

Ideally, everyone (aside from the administrators - the owners), should be equals here. In reality, you are probably the most beloved member here..relish it and smile the next time someone questions you.

Chris

doublelongdaddy
12-06-2002, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Gandolf
While their supposed sizes are grossly exagerated SOME of the time, their pictures were taken standing, partially flacid for the most part, and they weren't pulling on their dicks to straighten them out. I dont think its fair to state DLD's computed sizes as gospel.

Gandolf I only tried to give the best measurements I could to help people who have negative self views. I don't want my study to be gospel in any respect but I do want you to feel good about your penis. My estimations were in no way to discredit anyone in the porn industry, they were only meant to help you and my other pe friends feel less inadaquate. I hope that I have been of some good towards helping my friends here feel better about themselves, I know I do.

twatteaser
12-06-2002, 05:05 PM
Does this mean we can all go out and fight and hollar at each other and go to the old pharmacey and buy icecream sundays and soda floats and be fine afterwards? Kind of like the liitle rascals. If so I want to be froggy.

I hope we have all learned from this and can avoid any future problems arising from this. I think we have entertained the Administrators, moderators, members, and guests for one day, so I am done dramatic posturing and chest thumping for today.

Maybe we should stop posting until Part 10 is up and then we can all comment upon that. I for one am in no real rush to demand it from DLD, so if it takes days or weeks so be it.

In hindsight, I wish i put this much focus on me PE. Oh well, you live and you learn.

Merry Christmas Everyone!

regularwhiteguy
12-06-2002, 05:32 PM
Hmmmm... Gandolf did raise a valid point allbeit I did get the drift he was calling b/s on DLD at worst or at best just wanted to push him into doing what he just did... The point I would like to raise is that I prefer to view that Gandolf only wanted to see some proof... DLD rose to the request and provided everyone with the 'money shot'... I think this issue is over... BTW DLD, your hard work is without question... DLD, I'm close to 6 months now and hope I can get 1/3 of your gains within my two year mark...

dickgrow
12-08-2002, 10:27 AM
No offense everyone, but I personally think that things like this get a little out of hand. I just waded through 3 pages of people trying to make peace with each other for comments they never meant to be offensive in the first place. If this is what happens with every debate, than maybe debates should be limited to specific thoughts on PE techniques. This could have very eaisily degenerated into the kind of bullshit where someone gets pissed, and someone gets kicked off the forum.

On the other hand, I think everyone needs to show a little more understanding.

Bigger guys and vets-
I really think you need to consider the frustrations and doubts that go along with having a small dick and not being able to gain. When no-gainers express frustrations, they do not mean to personally attack anyone, and I think you should give them a little more leeway.

Doubters and newbies-
Some of the vets here feel they have worked very hard for what they have gained, and they dont like to be doubted. They feel like the only reason they are here is to help others, and it offends them when people doubt their good intentions. Try to tread lightly, and as a general rule, keep your doubts to yourself- after all whether they are legitimate or not, NOTHING can be gained from expressing them.

twatteaser
12-08-2002, 11:05 AM
Sounds workable.

doublelongdaddy
12-10-2002, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by dickgrow
When no-gainers express frustrations, they do not mean to personally attack anyone, and I think you should give them a little more leeway.

DG...I agree with you and I can see where I am way too paranoid. I try hard to keep my head straight but sometimes my insecurities, well most of the time, they get the best of me. I hope people will still ask questions of me and I will try to be much less insecure next time.

Daddy

Oh btw: part 10 will be up today...I finally have a few hours today, I hope.

nitro
12-12-2002, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by doublelongdaddy




Oh btw: part 10 will be up today...I finally have a few hours today, I hope.

Whats up DLD, you are making me anxious !

doublelongdaddy
12-12-2002, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by nitro


Whats up DLD, you are making me anxious !

My main system is being repaired as I type this...*fingers crossed* Hopefully I will be up in a bit.

This thread used to be 5 stars...now it's 4 stars :( that makes me sad.

nitro
12-12-2002, 07:53 AM
allright then :D

sizemoore
12-16-2002, 05:23 PM
Check this out: http://www.bigblacksonwhites.com/ir21/ir21hun.htm

The second (top row, to the right) clip has a very comparasion friendly angle of the much debated Lexington Steele. At least i think it is him...

Anyway, I did the famous girl-hand measurment and came up with the following result: Lexx is exactly 10 inches NBP. Given the fact that bonepreassuring adds a bit, I think it´s safe to say that he is way over 10 inches, very close to 11 inches BP. Try it for yourselves and see what you come up with.

The bad thing: Lexx is probably as 11-inched as he has claimed he is.

The good thing: There´s only a handful of men in porn - and reality too, I assume - that are as big as Lexx. This guy is so big that he goes beyond to even be called an exception from the standard.

Keep up the good work DLD!

/sizemoore

AverageSized
12-16-2002, 06:16 PM
Lexx is definetly huge, extremely large.

And most women would be afraid of that, unless true size queens ;)

nitro
12-16-2002, 06:29 PM
I think Lex is into PEing, his dick in this link looks bigger than in some old videos of him

Gandolf
12-16-2002, 06:32 PM
Lex is said to be the largest guy in porn and I don't even think anyone else is even that close to him. He claims to be 11 inches and I honestly think he is. I downloaded a video with him in it and I've never seen a dick that big. I wouldn't worry though, even the porn girls in his films who are used to getting fucked by tons of guys with huge dicks cannot take all of his in. Theres still like 2-3 inches that don't get used. 8 inches of dick can please any woman to the max, but I do think girth is very important too. Just don't get carried away trying to compare yourself to these porn stars because
1.Girls don't want em abnormally big, it really can hurt I've heard
2.For the same reason you wouldn't challenge Michael Jorden to a game of 1-on-1, you shouldn't necessarily base your goals off of them. Some guys have to know their limitations. I do think most guys can get to 8 by 6 though, given a year or two of hard work.

YGuy
12-16-2002, 08:44 PM
Who cares about Lex.. Who's that cute girl holding his dick? :D

twatteaser
12-16-2002, 10:05 PM
There overlooking the obvious. Who is that girl? Find me the name of that LExx film and I'll look for her on the net.

bigbutnottoo
12-17-2002, 03:26 AM
That is NOT Lexington Steele. I know it is not. I am not sure who it is, but his dick does not look like that. One of you even observed that his dick looked different. That is because it is NOT His. He has a completely different shaft that is much darker and his head is larger and more pronounced with the scars on the bottom. His dick is very straight and uniform in thickness. The dick in this video is lighter, has crooks, and has a less pronounced head.

I watch a lot of porn. His dick doesnt look like that. neither does his torso, abdomen. Notice they never show the guy's face.
Lex is darked skinned and fairly big boned. he is not ripped whatsoever.

In thhe first video, they show 3 guys, 2 sitting, and 1 doing pushups. the 2 sitting are neither Lex, and the guy doing pushups is not either.
I think it might be Mandingo, but I am not sure. BTW, anyone who has seen interracial or black porn knows that Lex is not the biggest. He even admits that he is not. I remember reading an interview where he said he was not the biggest of the black guys, but the best. Mandingo is probably the longest, Jack Napier the thickest, and Lex the most popular.

And godamm that chick is hot.

bigbutnottoo
12-17-2002, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by nitro
I think Lex is into PEing, his dick in this link looks bigger than in some old videos of him

Because its not him. see above.

bigbutnottoo
12-17-2002, 03:34 AM
Yep, It is definitely Mandingo.

Watch video 3, on the bottom left. They show his face. its Mandingo.

sizemoore
12-17-2002, 07:51 AM
bigbutnottoo,
thanks for clearing that out - as you´ve probably noticed in my post I was not quite sure it was Lexx. But it sure is the longest dick I´ve seen in black&white porn.

To sum it up:
1. The guy (Mandingo) with the huuuuge dick is 10 inches NBP. That is my measurment of course. Try it for yourselves. If he is known to be longer than Lexx - great!
2. The girl in the clip is very, very cute.

Take care,
/sizemoore

doublelongdaddy
12-17-2002, 08:15 AM
Just a note of thanks and My personal feelings about this thread and how it affected me and my disorder:

When I started doing this study I initially did it to share some of the things I did to help me feel better about myself. I also got tired of hearing people drop false measurements based on there own insecurities and or media dishonesty. My disorder, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, has been a very difficult disability in my life. I have had some ups and downs during this study but I think all an all it has helped me face some of my own fears and hopefully helped some of my fellow pe’ers. My particular O.C.D. focuses heavily on my penis and rituals around that, honesty and religion and rituals around that. Prior to this study I spent much time looking at my penis, getting stuck in debilitating thoughts of comparison and obsessive patterns. Theses episodes would sometimes last a very long time. I have some very special friends here that have been there for me through each episode to help push me to the next level. I very good friend of mine, Twatteaser, always pushed me to continue my study as a sort of therapy. His determination to see me move forward, along with RB, Merlin, Luvdadus, RWG and Kastro, was the reason I was able to come back from these episodes alot of the time. During the inception of this thread I have gotten the confidence to share 2 of my own exercises with the group that I would have never talked about due to my lack of confidence. I was able to shoot new pictures of myself, which again was very difficult. I joke with Gandolf now that he was sent by God to push me into doing this. Through my own photos I have been able to prove to the group that PE works without a doubt and I hope this was in some way a help to any of the newbies who are still on the fence. I have also felt a camaraderie here that I have never felt in my life. People here actually worry about each other and take a genuine interest in helping one another. Maybe it is the sense of anonymity that enables us to be so sensitive to each other on such a taboo topic, but whatever it is, we have found a side to our selves that is beyond anything the real world has to offer us. I still have a long way to go with my o.c.d. I still can not look in a mirror, I still get very obsessed with being honest, I still get stuck in the bathroom, but what I do know is I am much better. I can remember myself prior to doing this study being so confused about measurements, and why I never could feel good about myself. Today I am able to accept my gains and be greatfull. This is a huge step for me and realizing this is the beginning to a much longer journey I have confidence now to move forward.

nitro
12-17-2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by bigbutnottoo


Because its not him. see above.

to hell with Lex, my new goal now is to be a little bigger than Mandingo !

newman1
12-17-2002, 01:27 PM
why not do a length study on lexington and mandingo and tell us for sure . Bout ready for part ten. was just wondering my frind with your ocd do you reckon it made you work out with more frequency and determination than the rest of us. Some times thing help as well as hurt. A great post by great man and hung like hell man. newman1

3000gt
12-18-2002, 03:26 AM
You've given us the size of the average womans hand, but how much girth can the average woman fit in her hand. Whenever I'm watching porn it seems like I judge how big a guy is buy how much space is between a girls index finger and thumb when her hand is around his dick.

3000GT

doublelongdaddy
12-24-2002, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by newman1
why not do a length study on lexington and mandingo and tell us for sure . Bout ready for part ten. was just wondering my frind with your ocd do you reckon it made you work out with more frequency and determination than the rest of us. Some times thing help as well as hurt. A great post by great man and hung like hell man. newman1

Sorry about the delay on this. I already did Mandingo in an early post. The two most popular requests I have gotten are these 2 men. Jack Napier and Lexington Steele.

Jack Napier Clocks in at 9.5" with incredible Girth. I would estimate him at about 10" with a really good erection. This erection in this picture is average.
Again I overestimated all proportions. I went with Head length on the women here. I put her head from chin to crown at almost 10"! That would be a HUGE head.
http://www.mygreenpoint.com/jenn/Napier.jpg

Lexington Steele clocks in at the biggest yet at slightly over 10" going with the girls hand breadth of 4" which again is an over estimation. Jennifer had a breadth of 3.5" and I have a breadth closer to 4". I have to say these two men are freaking huge.
http://www.mygreenpoint.com/jenn/Steele.jpg

newman1
12-26-2002, 09:43 AM
I muct reread the thread becasue earlier on I thought you put lex at 8.75. Hmm two ten inch cocks? wow

twatteaser
06-06-2003, 10:47 AM
I am bumping this in response to the heavy readership of the commonality of 10" dicks out there.

doublelongdaddy
06-06-2003, 03:16 PM
I have to update the links to this too. I will work on that tomorrow.