Women's poll, funny as hell

[Bib]

misterpoll.com/results.mpl?id=3364120216 (http://misterpoll.com/results.mpl?id=3364120216)

The one thing missing from that survey is the most important part, they should have asked women to actually show(with their hands apart for size) what they thought say 6", 7", 8", etc is and then measure to see how many were actually even close with their guesses. This came up again at a party a few weeks ago when a woman who was making alot of unbelievable claims wouldn't shut up about the 10 incher she recently had, I had her make her hands 10" apart(of course she did then imediately moved them further apart to protect herslf from falling short) and when we used a ruler guess what we came up with??? 7" is all her hands were apart, and that was after she visibly moved them further apart from her original guess, which was probably more like 6". Just goes to show.

But I feel even better about my 7.25" now that I know its considered large by their studies scale and most women actually think that penis' that are smaller than that are that size, LOL!!!! For Christ sakes that would leave them guessing I was around 9" which is what my wife thought upto a few months ago when I had her measure it for herself.

Yeah women can not measure for @#%$, only ones who know are size queens. And sizequeens are whako. Anyoen know how thick around a beer bottle is?

[SS4Jelq]

Im gonna sit my girlfriend down infront of my computer and ask her to fill it in. If she doesnt i will start singing sinatra songs to her. that should do it. worth a try, she always says size is not important. I'll ask her to measure out the size of a 10" penis with her hands and measure it like wannabe said.

[dino775]

Guys

Good poll


dino

[2in2002]

Nice find :)

[merlin101]

Anyway dont you think its pretty impressive:

What was the the longest erect penis you've ever experienced

7.5"-8" (25%)


8.5"-10" (25%)


10"+ (19%)


6.5"-7" (18%)


5"-6" (9%)


3"-4.5" (1%)


1967 total votes



I think this show some good info. Seems many 10" after all, still its only less then 5% or something or?

[dino775]

m101


Girls have no idea on size, if they had an 8 they thought it was a 10.

Dino

[pumaz]

I was just going to say, wasn't it about 1% of the guys said that had 10 plus. Therefore every guy in that 1% must have had sex with at least 19 girls, because they've all experienced one that big. Yeah right, that part is bogus, the girls can't measure. If they think its 10% its probably around 7.5 like the other poster said, and that would make things fit more statistically.

[Mr Average]

TWO things we can count on:

1. The ladies will tell their current lover he's "fine" - but they REALLY want and appreciate something bigger - and nearly *80%* of them claim they HAVE enjoyed sex with bigger than average hung guys...

2. The GUYS, in deep denial, will comfort themselves with the fantasy that the GALS don't really have a clue as to size, aren't interested in or looking for anything bigger/better...


Face it guys, the gals really DO want, appreciate, and lust after the BIGGER guys - and by bigger, I mean bigger than AVERAGE!

So, if YOU are in the "average" group - 6-6.5 or so, nearly HALF the gals want more than YOU are giving them - and about half are pretty seriously LOOKING for more - even tho over *60%* of them indicated they were already married or "attached"!

Sure - it's not a "scientific" poll - but it sure closely parallels OTHERS I have seen that WERE more scientific (NO, I don't intend to provide pointers!) - and it IS an eye-opener!

Who's laughing NOW...?

[Pan]

MrAverage,

my personal experience is the same as what you write.

/Pan

[pumaz]

A large portion of those girls, I think it was about 20% claimed to have been with a guy over 10+ in. Do you really think that the 1% of guys (who probably embellished their measurements or used bp measurements) are really busy enough to sleep with 20 partners each?

As for your claims that we're trying to calm ourselves for having average dicks at least we're doing something about it. You're insulting us for having average sized dicks at a place you go to make your dick bigger. Just because you may happen to be a little bit bigger doesn't make it fair to criticize those of us an inch or two shorter then you. You're still feeling inadequate, thats why you're here.

[Mr Average]

You've got it all wrong - I was pointing out that:

1. Females (married or not!) DO want/seek BIGGER! Otherwise, WHY are WE trying to GET bigger - why are we here - and WHY do we feel threatened to hear/see what we already KNEW, that BIGGER is BETTER!

2. MANY of us live in denial that the gals REALLY know the difference between big and small - if THAT is true, again, WHY are we here?

Instead of attacking ME for pointing out the OBVIOUS, perhaps a closer look at REALITY is in order? This SHOULD encourage us all to GET bigger, NOT start fighting each other over what we all already knew to be true...

[dickgrow]

While it may be obvious that girls perfer bigger, I am quite sure that 20% of females have not seen a 10 incher. While they may perfer it, a look at the surveys will show that these penises are close to nonexistant, and very very few porn stars have dicks that big. Girls do have no clue how to measure. I mean do you think you could give an accurate measurement of your lady's breast circumference without measuring? Doubtful. Not to mention, of those that were impressed with their partner's size and asked, I think the men would probably embellish their measurments quite a bit. Unless these women are taking to rulers to their partner's shlongs, I really think this should be taken with a grain of salt. Once again, regardless of what they may perfer, 10 inches is just extremely rare.

-dickgrow

[Mr Average]

"I mean do you think you could give an accurate measurement of your lady's breast circumference without measuring?"

Perhaps not, but I damn sure DO know what SIZE *I* prefer, and I also know the difference between what's AVERAGE, and what's LARGER than average, even WITHOUT actual measuring - so WHY would we assume the ladies don't have the SAME degree of intelligence where OUR size is concerned?

Don't overlook the fact that a THIRD of the females polled admitted to having 10 or more sex partners (some, LOTS MORE!) to draw their opinions from - hell, that's sure a lot more experience with the opposite sex than *I* have had! How about you guys? Do you think that much experience is enough to give a fairly decent comparison, regardless of precise actual measuring?

[pumaz]

Sorry, Mr Average. You're capitalization of the word "you" and the last line of "who's laughing now" made me percieve your post as an insult. Its much more clear from your other post now.

[dickgrow]

Like I said, I have no doubt that experienced women can recognize what is average and what is above average, unless they have had unusually small or large partners. What I am saying, is that they have no clue what the actual measurements are of those they have seen. We certainly do have an idea of what is big or small in breasts, but what I am saying, is that like them, we have no clue what a numerical measurement would be. I am sure most women prefer large dicks. If we didnt think so we wouldnt be here. I am also however, sure that 20% of women have not seen a 10 incher. If you look at surveys, even those done by self measurement, the porportion of 10 inchers if there are any at all, is a miniscule percent.

[Mr Average]

Nahhh - not attempting to insult or offend ANYONE - just amplifying what we see in that "survey"... I've seen other similar surveys before from various sources - different questions in each one, but close to what THIS one provides if you consolidate the returned info... While they are probably somewhat inaccurate in some regards, I don't think we can simply disregard them as worthless - and we CERTAINLY would be fools to LAUGH at the info they provide!

One or 2 polls taken by themselves might be sorta suspect - but when you see a common thread of similar results over a period of time and from various sources, you EVENTUALLY hafta start taking notice - and the FACT is, a SUBSTANTIAL percentage of females are thoroughly capable of enjoying/preferring sex with guys well up the scale in size - and SOME of them are pretty actively looking for the opportunity to do just that! - And that includes a number who are already married, or seriously involved with someone else at the time... Whether or not anything actually occurs, depends on the time, place and circumstances.

That's why in another thread, I questioned the claim by another fella that OUR "average size" is about 6.2 inches - and that is ALSO the "average size" females are built to handle - *I* don't believe that at all - I think the AVERAGE female is capable of BEST stimulation by guys in the 8 inch range - regardless of how much they will try to assure their 6 inch lover he's "fine"...

*I* prefer to bring myself up to that 8 inch level, and head off the competition - that's why *I* am here!

[merlin101]

I think the girls have fun telling "oh my man 2night was 11 inch!"...its something they talk about within their culture, ie they are telling bull.

I doubt that it's true about thise sizes. The best would be if an assistant measured the size, I saw a site where they did that, and it was not made by themself. The biggest penis they found was 19 cm....(I think it was...).

I think many measure it wrong with purpose, I did it too, but not anymore, why lie to myself.

And I dont see why ppl start arguing about insulting, what is the reason you are here guys? Is it to get smaller dicks? NO

[doublelongdaddy]

We are in a forum of men who PE here...The men who know about PE are the biggest men out there (IMO)...Now how many 10 plus inchers do we have here?

[crazyJLK]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
We are in a forum of men who PE here...The men who know about PE are the biggest men out there (IMO)...Now how many 10 plus inchers do we have here?


OOOOO if by 10"+ you mean 7"+.... I still fall short :(

[Mr Average]

SOME musta MISSED (or ignored?) this part of the survey?

==========
have you ever actually measured a mans penis before

Yes several lovers (29%)
No just comapred mentally (29%)
Yes a former lover (17%)
Yes my current partner (15%)
Never (7%)
===========

Now, we don't know if those replies are additive or not, but if NOT, at least 29% claimed to have gone so far as to actually measure (no guesswork THERE!) - and if you DO add in the others,you come up with about 60% who were NOT simply guessing, but got out the ruler...

Face it fellas - they may NOT, for the most part, know the precise difference between a 6.5 and a 7 incher - but we're kidding ourselves if we cling to the false security that we can somehow fool the gals into thinking our 5 incher is REALLY 9 inches, and THEY are too "stupid" to recognize the difference.

Hell, if THAT was true, we're sure wasting our time HERE in PE, aren't we!

I'm about done in this thread - some of us will continue to feel that gals will recognize and appreciate the difference between where we WERE, and where we eventually end up after PE - others will probably continue to feel the ladies can't possibly know the difference between 6 inches and 8 inches, even with a ruler...

I should again include, I'n NOT trying to start anything here, or in any way be abusive to others or their viewpoints - But hell, I've been pretty sensitive to my own size for my entire lifetime - I have a wife who until a little PE on my part, could take someone DOUBLE my size comfortably ( and probably very ENJOYABLY!)... I've read a NUMBER of surveys similar to what got THIS thread started - all reinforcing my own desire that *I* wanted to be larger, but didn't know HOW, or if it was even POSSIBLE until I visited places like this - God, I wish I knew 40 years ago what I know NOW!

SO, we all pretty much realize we NEED or WANT to be bigger, and that there really IS a way to make it happen. we also realize our mates probably ALSO would like it if we were bigger - THEN, when we see yet another survey that pretty much validates ALL our reasons for doing this PE stuff, we say "NAHHHh, the gals haven't a CLUE as to size - wouldn't know the difference if *I* was 6 inches or 8..." We even have several gals here, in THIS group, who will admit that while the trophy dicks aren't necessarily their major concern in a mate, DO thoroughly enjoy and lust after a roll in the hay with a well-hung guy - and if he ALSO happens to be their husband, all the better!

And yet, when we see a survey that indicates what we already KNOW and feel in our gut - and is the VERY REASON *we* are here, we pass it off as unreliable and meaningless... Something WRONG with this picture...?

[lexx]

Nobody is saying that women can't tell a difference. What we are saying is that they cannot accurately see the difference between the larger sizes i.e once you start getting in the 7.5+" range. Oh, and those 20% of women who say that they have been with 10+"!!!, which means around 11" or 12", is bullshit.

[Thorne]

I agree with pretty much everything that Mr Average is saying because he's right.

His emphasis on CAPPED WORDS come off as being abrasive, but it's what he's saying that counts.

And unfortunately, he's right.

Most girls don't have any idea about size, but I was with one girl who was the Queen of Measurements. She didn't even have to measure mine with a ruler or anything to know my dimensions...but then again she had been with close to 100 guys.

So I guess that visual measuring was just some skill she picked up over the years.

[crazyJLK]

be careful what you call bullshit....

i know what you are all saying. 20% of women? hosh posh, there is far less than 1% of men that possess these monstrosities. but you do have to remember, legendary penises, when wielded in the wrong hands, will probably go through more play than many of us could ever dream. ahh yes, its a golden land, wet vaginas galore, little faeries dancing and spinning about, and lots of sex for the rod god...

well, maybe your dreamworld is a little different than mine, but you get the idea that 1 man > 1,000 women

[Ambitious]

Hi Guys,

This is my very first post here!

Now, I shall wade into the minefield....

A few points:

0. I thought the survey was well-constructed compared to most of the ones I've seen on this. It can be criticized, but they all can be.

1. The qualitative conclusion of this survey is clear: most women prefer bigger. The biggest shocker, I thought, was that question where 67% of the women said they'd rather have sex with an average but "built" guy with a large penis than a "HOT" guy with a small one. That's really the acid test, don't you think? And might explain otherwise odd couples like Julia Roberts and Lyle Lovett.

2. I think various of you are somewhat correct that women's perceptions of size aren't very good. Men do have better spatial relations skills than women, according to the testers. However, there's a silver lining in this, which is that women exaggerate the dimensions of men whom they like in their own minds and to other women. Examples:
I have dated women who exaggerated my height to their girlfriends when discussing me (which probably says that size matters too). My mother, when buying clothes for me as a boy, would routinely overestimate the size of the clothes that would fit me if I was not there with her in the store when she bought them. Similarly with girlfriends who bought me shirts as gifts as an adult...all way overshooting the mark, consistently. This may partly be a subtle female ego flattery thing, but given my mother's experience I don't think that's all of it. Which doesn't prove that a man's chest size doesn't matter to a girl -- clearly it does -- just that she's likely to misperceive it for a man she likes. Women also believe that color, lighting and the cut of garments change their size -- "Do my ankles look fat in this?" being the classic demonstration of that. Which also tells us as men that how we style our pubic hair and how we package it matters too as to their visual perceptions of our penis size. Note the survey's question on boxers vs. briefs. (Boxers and boxer briefs beat out briefs and smaller stuff by a wide margin.)

3. There's a selection bias in this survey that I think is partly real. The population's average penis size is not the same as the average penis size of the men who are having sex with women. Women talk to each other about this, and so men who are well-endowed are going to get a lot more action. Thus, when a woman mentally computes what the average size man is, she's going to go by the average size of the penises attached to the men she's been to bed with, not the average size of the population; the two aren't going to be the same. Well-endowed men are probably more confident with women too, which also helps their luck with the ladies.

4. Although a large number of women said they'd measured men's penises, the survey did not ask them how this was done. I'll bet for many women, they did a sneaky size comparison after the subject came up in discussions with girlfriends: Well, when I'm giving him a hand job, the tip of his dick comes to about the third finger on my second hand if I'm using both hands on him (for instance), and then if I get out my ruler and measure that, it comes out to be X inches. Clearly such a measurement is going to be sloppy, with vague, sexually charged-memories and doing one half of it in the dark messing things up badly. And was he fully erect at the time? Other women would have done an indirect size comparison: with a man this size, he can "hit the spot" inside me, so he must be about such-and-such big. They could know this from using differently-sized dildos or comparing him with other lovers. However, that measurement is also going to get messed up, because the position in which they're having sex will change their internal maps, their monthly cycle will change it, their level of sexual arousal will change it....And in any case, they haven't measured all of their lovers, just some of them.


5. There's probably also a selection bias in the women who would fill out such a survey: they're probably more sexually active than average and heard about it from their fellow Sex in the City gal pal fans. Try to imagine which of your female friends/relatives would actually fill out such an online poll and you'll see what I mean. 59% of the women claimed to be below age 30, which also supports this.

6. Thorne's idea about some experienced women being experts on the question is probably right. To take the example of women buying clothes for men: while my mother consistently overshot, and all girlfriends consistently overshot, female salesclerks in men's stores usually guess my size dead on or close to it.

7. The best parts of this poll are the comparative questions: do you like Man A better than Man B? This is probably how women think about men a lot of the time anyway: not just in absolute terms, but in relative ones -- he's the biggest I've ever had, he's the smallest I've ever had, I like my lover's size better than my husband's size, etc.

8. I would wager that a lot of women are answering this survey based on intelligent guesswork. For example, the girth survey: I'll bet very few of the women have ever actually measured a man's girth with a tape measure or other suitable instrument, even of the ones who claimed to have measured men's penises before. What they have done is have sex with a number of men, mentally binned them out into big, small, below average, and above average, and are then responding to the four girth categories appropriately, thus tacitly assuming that the girth sizes that the survey is supplying actually make sense. Also, various indirect girth measurements probably got done: I can just barely get my fingers around this stud's cock, and my fingers are thus-and-such long, so that's his circumference.

The same sort of thing probably is happening with the length survey, only this time the ladies are assuming that the super-long 10+ numbers actually correspond to their reality, just the way the girth ones must so correspond. Being competitive, they wouldn't want to admit to themselves that other women have landed bigger cocks than they have. So they're assuming that the biggest guy they've ever had must have been about as big as the biggest category in the survey, or else the second biggest category...and thus the 19% in the 10+ length bin and the 25% in the 8.5-10 inch category.

[AverageSized]

I honestly laugh...

At the people who think, that all women want a huge or bigger penis...

Everyone is different, and I'm sorry to burst your generalizations.
But some women actually don't want a bigger penis than average.

I think so many men think that because some do, that they need to have a 9" Inch Dong dangling between their knees.

I think it's also very sad that some guys who are gifted in the Genetics department, think every women is going to come drooling ... just because they have a huge cock and it's an automatic better sexual thing.

I've had sex with plenty of females in my life time, some thought I was smaller (girth mainly), average, above average...

But finally I've come to the realization, that to be a better lover... you don't even need a cock IMO.

Just something to think about in the end. Do PE for the health of your cock ... not because you want some Dong between your legs.

Just my rant...

[teeitup]

Guys...this is an interesting thread. I'm leaning toward girls do not know the actual size and they think penises are bigger than they really are.

I've gone out with two different woman, a 43year old and a 26yr old, over the last three months.

Both woman, when they saw my penis, said.."you have a big one," and "damm boy...I like the size of that!" I size is 7" long and 6" around at the base, and 5.5" around under the head. The fact is, both the young and older woman, both said they thought and knew my cock was much bigger than 7".

A few months before that, I was with another older woman, she was 37yrs old. She thought my dick was just the perfect size, at 6".

Bottom line...in my experience since being single again (divorced), woman do not have a clue on the size of my penis.

[Ambitious]

Here's a website in which a woman gives her frank and detailed opinion on the matter, and cites the behind-closed-doors opinions of her friends as well:

Kysa's Personal Views on Penis Size (http://www.communiweb.net/~kysa/111/size.htm)

When I'm dating, above average is all I require unless I'm just looking for dick (through email, ads online, or by personal referrals) and nothing more, then I demand 8+ inches and very thick. Under "normal conditions" of dating when other factors (physical and intellectual compatibility) are important as well, bigger than average is enough. Just average is a "not see again," but without shame to the man. I consider under 7 inches as inadequate, and I do tell my friends that the guy is small, but not to the extent of making fun of him.

Now if a guy is under five inches, that is a different story. I consider him tiny. This probably has to do with several factors, including the female mentality towards men. Making fun of a man's size (or lack of it) is a way of neutralizing the fact that men are physically superior to women. It's common for women to make lewd comments and jokes about a tiny or even a small penis among themselves. It physically vanquishes a man down below that of a woman even if the rest of him is large, muscular and otherwise very masculine.

I have found what this woman says about her strong preferences when it comes to casual sex to be almost universally true. I've seen many personal ads written by women asking for casual sex which stipulate minimum penis sizes, and none I can recall stipulating a maximum size. Mostly the minimum sizes range around 8-9", with a few in the 7" range. Responses to my personal ads from women will often contain blunt requests for information about my size (which is why I'm here -- I finally figured out the Size Doesn't Matter To Women chorus is filled with the same liars who a few decades ago claimed that Sex Doesn't Matter To Women). There's what they say in public, and then there's the truth. What they really mean, I have come to believe, is that size/sex don't matter because they've written off having sex for pleasure in favor of using sex as bait to get their hands on a man's paycheck. The bulge in the front of his pants isn't that important if they are after the bulge in the back pocket instead. They are answering the question as if it were about priorities rather than about preferences.

To put it bluntly, women do want to weed out the weenies (through spreading the word or even humiliation to liquidate a man's confidence) for both procreational and recreational purposes.

But even this woman will lie to men about it:

But that's also probably why sometimes I back off on my true feelings or say that I'm the exception and not the rule when a guy is being polite or I think he's young and impressionable.

So while an extra-large cock feels great to some girls, like myself, just as many will find it uncomfortable. Which is where guys will here their girlfriends say something like, "My last boyfriend had a huge penis, but you're just perfect." Don't focus on the old boyfriend's cock size at all. Her perception of his size is probably larger than the reality.

Which agrees with teeitup's observation about their imprecise size perception.

I suspect, though, that they only find large penises uncomfortable when not fully aroused, which is the detail they leave out when trying to not blast your ego to smithereens.

Then there's this article, which is less forthright:

Does Size Really Matter After All? (http://www.passionvillage.com/archives/dailies/hottopics/hottopics.php3?requestid=20021121091522doessi)

It tries to refute the irrefutable, using "experts" to gainsay straight talk from individual women about their preferences, backed up by specific reasons why they prefer larger men.

Does the size of a man's penis matter when it comes to pleasing a woman? If you place any credence in the mountain of sex advice available in bookstores and on the Internet, the answer is a resounding No.

Sex experts are virtually unanimous in their view that a man doesn't need a big bat to hit a home run in bed.

"Any credible sexuality authority will say that the vast majority of men are within the normal range, that the vast majority of women don't care about a man's size, that a man's size has nothing to do with his skill as a lover," says San Francisco-based newspaper sex columnist Isadora Alman. "But these messages don't get out there. Instead, we have all sorts of size jokes on TV and size references in popular songs, with the media in general supporting the idea that bigger is better."

Finding misinformation in the mainstream media is one thing, but seeing the same "bigger is better" argument espoused on Libida.com, a web site that sees itself as a source of sexual enlightenment in tune with the needs of women, is a little unexpected.

In a recent article Libido co-founder Dr. Petra Zebroff argues that women are biologically built to want a bigger penis.

"You love his wit, his charm, his personality, his smiling eyes, his clever hands, and talented tongue ... but the size of his penis? Yes, some women like it large."

Zebroff says a smaller penis doesn't stimulate the cervix, or give a women that filled-up feeling that she craves.

"Only the first 1/3 of the vagina responds to touch," writes Zebroff. "The inner 2/3rds can’t feel touch. Instead, this inner part responds to stretch and pressure, only. And it is precisely the middle and upper parts of the vagina that balloon “out and up” when a woman is aroused, giving her that even empty ache or “I-need-to-be-filled” up sensation."

Zebroff says this "filled up" feeling cannot be satiated unless the pressure or stretch receptors in the vagina are stimulated, ergo the need for a larger penis.

This hard data then gets knocked down with bald opinion:

Mariella Frostup, a sex columnist for The Observer newspaper, regards the claim that size really matters with derision. Responding to one worried male reader who is afraid he won't be able to satisfy his new girlfriend because the best he can muster is about 2 inches, Frostup echoes the widespread opinion of most sexperts.

"The Freudian theory of 'mature' orgasm which is vaginal rather than clitoral (and, of course, depends on a giant, manly, thrusting member to tickle your G-spot) is severely discredited these days," writes Frostup. "Most women will tell you that unless you're in the vicinity of their clitoris, you've got little or no chance of making them come. A man like you has a much better chance of hitting the spot."

This same crew was telling men a few years ago that the G-spot didn't exist! The size of a man's penis didn't matter because only clitoral stimulation was important, we were told. Now, the G-spot gets trotted out to prove the opposite: small men might do better at stimulating it. Oh, sure. And Frostup is notably silent on the question of whether more girth might stimulate the G-spot. Or indirectly stimulate the clitoris more too, through more stimulation of the labia during intercourse.

Then, argument by distracting red herrings and non sequiturs:

Frostup laughs at porn films extolling the virtues of the well-hung stud.

"These films are ridiculous to watch. They feature women groaning in pleasure as a man with a rolling pin for a penis supposedly supplies the ultimate in ecstasy. What they're actually getting is cystitis."

Cystitis is caused by infections, not big penises. Whether porn films are ridiculous to watch or not says nothing about what a woman prefers, all other factors being equal. Porn will also make most men's preference for somewhat larger breasts into a fetish, showing women with freakishly huge breasts. Ridiculous? Sure. But there's a kernel of truth there too, which is that breast size does matter...along with shape, and overall figure, and age, and the beauty of a woman's face, and her personality, and how well she performs fellatio, and all the rest of it.

Finally, the article undercuts its whole, uh, thrust with this ending pratfall:

"A girlfriend of mine slept with a world-famous Lothario. 'Was it huge ?' we asked.

'Surprisingly small,' she said, but with a smug grin on her face. 'But I had the best bloody night of sex I've ever had or will have. He made me come 15 times, and that was before we got round to penetrative sex.'

So if size doesn't matter, why was their first question to her asking whether "Lotherio" was huge? Only the polygraph knows....

[dafatguy]

nice post .are you famillair with Dr Frank Wallace?

[HughJorgan9]

I can attest to women's incorrect and incosistent perception of size...when women have made comments on my size, I'll ask them how big they think I am...I've had them tell me everything from 7" to 10" and as some of you know from my stories, I've been with quite a few women :) ...I've just shown girls my dick soft and they've guessed 10+...I guess compared to their boyfriend's softie or whatever...as far as the 60+% who claim they have measured a dick before, my question is how did they measure...I had a girl measure me once and she put the ruler on the bottom (of course I let her :) ) and it was over 9 inches from my balls to tip...she was like, Oh my God!!!...and I'd bet 80+% of women have never even SEEN a picture of a true 10" dick...they are very rare...I agree with DLD, if you are 8x6 or even close to that, you are waaaaay above the average dick...unless the girl you're with has a fetish for NBA players :) ...


HJ

[Den]

If you look at the survey, only 30% of the women claimed to have taken actual measurements on more than one guy. The rest are either guessing entirely or using one guy as a benchmark and estimating the rest based on that one guy. This means that you can't place much confidence in the question where they're asked about the length of the largest penis they've ever encountered because most of them are estimating.

A useful question would have been:
"For those of you who have measured penises, what is the largest measurement you have ever taken?"

[VRMan]

Ambitious,

very, very, VERY well said! I think there are some important insights in your posting. Especially the part about priorities vs. preferences made me think! I think there is something in there.

As far as Kysa online, there has been a long discussion about whether this girl and her web site are true or fiction. I read a pretty convincing article which showed that she might be a fake.
You may have noticed that she supposedly has died a while ago.

I once read "A woman who says that size doesn't matter hasn't been with a large guy yet", and I think it is true. I believe that most women are attracted by a large penis, but the reasons that you stated, or their family education, make it a taboo for them to state or even realize.

[RB]

I still believe that while you can adequately serve a woman with a smaller penis using good technique, one that is large enough to massage her deep and stretch her g-spot a bit has to feel better. Think of it this way; There are 3 identical women in front of you on a buffet table with their legs spread wide. One is super tight to the point of hurting you, one is sloppy big and the other is just right. Which one will you prefer to sink into? Doesn't it stand to reason that women should feel the same way? The loose woman wanting a bigger dick and the tight woman a smaller one for a better match?

I also firmly believe that if size charts are accurate, with the overwhelming majority of males being a bit above average to below, many many women have never had a large penis hitting spots they didn't know they have. We are not the norm. We are building a weapon and have clearly identified the intended targets. I don't think my wife has any idea what her g-spot is, let alone the cds. When we had sex when I was smaller than average, I could make her cum, but it took some doing. Consequently her orgasms were more infrequent. Now that I'm larger, her cumming several times when we have sex is almost a sure thing. I simply am a better fit for her now.

I feel women prefer a larger penis over a smaller one if given a choice, but what they consider large or too large would be based on their individual vaginal size.

[J Meister]

Ambitious,

Here's a link to a long discussion thread regarding the veracity of Kysa Braswell:

http://www.peforum.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2109

Kysa's views on size were written by a man to appeal to men's fantasies and frustrate their inadequacies.

That being said, I still concur with RB and VRMan that women like to be filled up.

[Insane_man]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but earlier, there was talk abput 19% of women saying that they had had a penis of over 10", yet only 4% of guys said that the had over 10".

It is important to note that 4% of guys also said that they wouldn't be completely honest. The margin of error in respect to this is equal to the percentage that said that they had over 10". I'm not saying that every guy that lied said 10", but one cannot be sure that every guy that lied answered no on the honesty question either. It is entirely possible that not one guy had a 10" johnson. Although I bet at least one did out of 60 did.

One thing is for certain, women's perception of size is inaccurate. Hell, so is mine, if you showed me an 8" on another guy, I might think it's a 10. Things always look bigger from a 3rd party perspective. Mine looks alot bigger in the mirror than when I look down at it.

[Ambitious]

Well, I didn't get very far in that minefield....

Kysa's views on size were written by a man to appeal to men's fantasies and frustrate their inadequacies.

Let me float a somewhat different theory, now that I've read the thread on Kysa being a hoax. (BTW, I knew nothing of Kysa, just found the link while doing a Yahoo search on penis size.) I think the man who wrote it was gay. Which is why he can come off sounding like a woman. It would also explain his fascination with penis size...and he probably got a lot of straight men sending in photos of their penises to "her" in the process for his own private viewing pleasure.

That said, the article may still be correct. Women tend to treat gay men as "one of the gals" and will say things in their hearing that they wouldn't say to men. At that point, writing them up while nailing a woman's "voice" and mentality in his piece is straightforward -- he just quotes what they said to him, with minor alterations to make it flow.

It has been suggested that at least some of the scripts of Sex and the City episodes are actually written by gay men. I've confronted women with this, and they say, sure, that's likely to be true, but nevertheless it accurately represents how women feel about things. Having gay male scriptwriters pulling the strings on "Carrie Bradshaw" and her friends doesn't seem to faze them in the least.

Meanwhile...I did manage to find that Libida.com article that got panned so adamantly in the Passion Village piece to which I linked -- which is written by a woman, Dr. Petra Zebroff. Here's what she said: (http://www.libida.com/content/body_mind/feature.php?article_id=577)

You love his wit, his charm, his personality, his smiling eyes, his clever hands, and talented tongue … but the size of his penis?

Yes, some women like it large. Smaller penises do have their own merit, of course. They are versatile, don’t make your jaw too tired during oral sex, don’t cause as much pain with anal sex, and don’t make you too sore. Unfortunately, they also don’t stimulate the cervix, or give you that filled feeling.

Women need this full feeling -- it’s biological. Only the first 1/3 of the vagina responds to touch. The inner 2/3rds can’t feel touch. Instead, this inner part responds to stretch and pressure, only.

And it is precisely the middle and upper parts of the vagina that balloon “out and up” when a woman is aroused, giving her that even empty ache or “I-need-to-be-filled” up sensation. This feeling cannot be satiated unless the pressure or stretch receptors in the vagina are stimulated. The average-sized penis is usually enough to stimulate them. There is no magical size that will stimulate all these receptors; however, it depends on the combination of the size and shape of the individual vagina and penis.

I had a thought about this: what Zebroff reports mirrors the penis' sensory response. The top 1/3 is very sensitive to touch, while the bottom 2/3 respond to pressure. Inside the man's body, it responds to deep pressure transmitted through the shaft to the prostate. Which would seem to suggest that the cul-de-sac (not the G-spot) is the female analogue to the prostate. Maybe the G-spot is like the frenulum: below and behind the glans (~clitoris) and urethral opening, buried in an inch or two.

Zebroff also adds another bit of evidence to the idea that women don't have a good handle on absolute lengths. Speaking of huge dildos, she says this:

Keep in mind these last are for serious “size queens” only. One of the most reported problems with dildo-buying is that the eyes are bigger than the vagina. 8" is usually plenty.

Thus the 8" = 10" mistake women seem to have made in the survey.

[bigbutnottoo]

Originally posted by Ambitious
Let me float a somewhat different theory, now that I've read the thread on Kysa being a hoax. (BTW, I knew nothing of Kysa, just found the link while doing a Yahoo search on penis size.) I think the man who wrote it was gay. Which is why he can come off sounding like a woman. It would also explain his fascination with penis size...



Why do you say this? Are you gay? Everyone here has a fascination with penis size. Is everyone here gay?

I think it is more likely a straight male playing on typical male insecurities which he obviously has. Some guys get off on having strange men screwing their wives. And some men create fantasies of a size queen female...

Some guys only watch big dick porn.

Because isnt that what we really want deep down anyway?. We want size to matter, and we want to be big. If we didnt want size to matter we wouldnt be obsessed over this.

We want our own real life Kysa to worship our huge cock.

[christof]

Originally posted by bigbutnottoo

We want size to matter, and we want to be big. If we didnt want size to matter we wouldnt be obsessed over this.

We want our own real life Kysa to worship our huge cock.

A very insightful thought. Don't worry guys, size doesn't matter..or worry, because you want size to matter.

[Ambitious]

Originally posted by bigbutnottoo

Why do you say this? Are you gay? Everyone here has a fascination with penis size. Is everyone here gay?

I think it is more likely a straight male playing on typical male insecurities which he obviously has.


No, I'm straight as a board. My wording was unfortunate, sorry. It wasn't his fascination with penis size per se, but his fascination with other men's penis size, to the point of writing an article that had the obvious follow-on effect of getting men to send him hundreds of photos of the relevant appendage. We're trying to get big dicks, he's trying to get pictures of big dicks -- other big dicks. While belittling the littler ones.

Take a look at the "Men seeking men" section in the personal ads and you'll see what I mean. Endless blunt talk about size. See, for example, HOW TO ACCURATELY MEASURE YOUR PENIS: A Gay Man's Guide to Real-World Dimensions, (http://members.tripod.com/italianguyy/) in which the issue of penis size inflation in the gay universe is dissected. Also, the Gay Sex Guide (http://www.superdrewby.com/sex/two.shtml) said this:

In 2001 a study announced that Gay men have on average larger penises than their straight male counterparts. This announcement was heralded by the more salabrious gay press as vindiction of the gay male as more masculine. But let's face it, this study had major flaws, and requested the respondants to measure their own penises.

Would you trust a gay man to give an accurate measurement. After all these are the same people which claim that their 5" uncut cock is actully 8" cut when they are online. The fact remains that less than 1.7% of men actually have a penis larger than 8 inches. So you make up your own mind!

I agree that the creator of the Kysa character was playing off typical straight male insecurities -- but that's par for the course with the gay scriptwriter types. This is one very big reason why there's endless bashing of straight men in advertising these days; a lot of the ads are being written by gay men. Ditto with movie portrayals of straight men. They bash straight men in public just like women are wont to do. Straight men have the insecurities, and gay men play on them with subtle or blunt put-downs, depending on the venue and the purpose. That's one way of announcing one's preferences without doing so too directly.

On to other things: this article (http://www.ivillage.com/relationships/experts/sexcoach/qas/0,4144,166929_54320,00.html) is by a woman "sex coach" Dr. Patti Britton, writing on iVillage.com, an Internet site for women. The laughable thing is that all the "size doesn't matter" rhetoric gets turned upside down when it comes to discussing the occasional man who is too big for a woman, at which point it's suddenly OK to admit that size matters:

Q. I am dating a wonderful guy. We are perfect together, and everything just seems right. The problem is, we just can't seem to make sex work well. One thing is that he is huge (diameter) and it's as if it just won't go in. I am a small woman, and I don't know if it's me or him or a combination. You would think that if you had a baby, you could accommodate the size of a man inside you. We have plenty of foreplay, so it's not as if we rush. Maybe we are both too nervous and it gets frustrating when we try so hard. Everything else is great with him; I want sex to be perfect, too. He says he has never had this problem, so I'm worried it's me.

A. Much of what you write is promising, so have faith and let's try to find a solution for your unusual plight (most of the iVillagers who complain about penis size are longing for more, not less). The average erect penis is between 5 and 6.5 inches in length and 4.85 inches around, according to some scientific research. Just for fun, and perhaps to help put your mind at ease, you could wind a string or ribbon around his erect penis, then measure it. Knowing that he's within the range of normalcy may alleviate some of his or your concerns. Alternatively, acknowledging his hugeness may help you to overcome your guilt about not being able to take him inside you without discomfort.

One of the keys to accepting a large penis is mental readiness. If you are tightening in fear or anticipation of being hurt, no object will be able to slide in easily. Instead, try to envision the two of you fitting together; that will bring added closeness to your relationship, along with pleasurable sensations for you both....

So she admits that most women who complain about size are complaining about too little, not too much -- so yes, women are complaining about it. Note also the suggestion from one woman to another to measure her boyfriend's penis, what (imprecise) method to use in doing so, and what excuses to give to the man for doing it. Maybe more women are doing this with the really hung fellows than we realize.

[mayhem]

Originally posted by Mr Average
TWO things we can count on:

1. The ladies will tell their current lover he's "fine" - but they REALLY want and appreciate something bigger - and nearly *80%* of them claim they HAVE enjoyed sex with bigger than average hung guys...

2. The GUYS, in deep denial, will comfort themselves with the fantasy that the GALS don't really have a clue as to size, aren't interested in or looking for anything bigger/better...


Face it guys, the gals really DO want, appreciate, and lust after the BIGGER guys - and by bigger, I mean bigger than AVERAGE!

So, if YOU are in the "average" group - 6-6.5 or so, nearly HALF the gals want more than YOU are giving them - and about half are pretty seriously LOOKING for more - even tho over *60%* of them indicated they were already married or "attached"!

Sure - it's not a "scientific" poll - but it sure closely parallels OTHERS I have seen that WERE more scientific (NO, I don't intend to provide pointers!) - and it IS an eye-opener!

Who's laughing NOW...? Youre right. When i was around 6" i felt small, not filling her as much as i would be with say...an 8". Thing is i learned to use it, and use it well. Now that i'm at that magic number(8) i feel much more confident in bed. Its nice when a girl has to put a pillow over her head to stop from screaming. Jelq on fellow penile exercisers.

[VRMan]

Originally posted by Ambitious
I had a thought about this: what Zebroff reports mirrors the penis' sensory response. The top 1/3 is very sensitive to touch, while the bottom 2/3 respond to pressure. Inside the man's body, it responds to deep pressure transmitted through the shaft to the prostate. Which would seem to suggest that the cul-de-sac (not the G-spot) is the female analogue to the prostate. Maybe the G-spot is like the frenulum: below and behind the glans (~clitoris) and urethral opening, buried in an inch or two.



I think this is a brilliant thought. It wasn't until recently that urologists and gynaecologists have found the structural similarities between the penis and the vagina. It took a female doctor and centuries of anatomy research to find out there is a very large piece of spongy tissue which is part of the vagina, attached in similar places as the "inner penis" of men. (Sorry for the clumsy description.) It is an interesting thought to equal the feelings generated by different parts of the genitalia with men and women, and postulate that they have parallels.

Also the part about the sensitivity to touch opened my eyes. A girl can be brought to orgasm without penetration, just by stimulating the clitoris. Similarly, a man can brought to orgasm without penetration, just by licking his glans. However, as we all know, that's not the same thing, and if the women starts using her hands to press and massage the penis, that is much better.

It must be similar with women, as Ambitious says: Although one could claim that size does not matter, it is only half of the truth because this aching, "empty" feeling created in the parts of the vagina that are sensitive to pressure (but not touch) can not be fulfilled except by penetration, and penetration with a large penis at that.

However, I agree with RB and the other posters that "large" is defined per women, not in general. But claiming that "size doesn't matter" seems like a friendly lie to me.

[Ambitious]

VRman: Additionally, there's an aspect to female anatomy that dissection of cadavers isn't going to reveal too easily, and that's how the sensory nerves are configured and how they wire up in the brain itself. A woman could have sensory nerves that were the rough equivalent to those on a man's prostate but not have them attached to any sort of excretory gland; they'd just have nerve endings arriving in a spot that was otherwise unexceptional. And then there's the brain response too, which is probably somewhat adaptive as well. But in any case a nerve could fire off the same orgasmic response circuits in a woman's brain that it does in a man's brain without having to correspond to any obviously homologous structure.

So the question really isn't "What is the equivalent female structure to the male prostate?", but "Where do the equivalent nerves go?" Or do the equivalent nerves even exist? From the way embryos develop, many of them probably do.

On this thread's previous subject: It occurred to me that there is alleged near-unanimity by the "experts" on the "fact" that size doesn't matter because they have a professional incentive to say that. Or at least they think they do. The reason is that most "experts" are therapists whose main problem when treating men is dealing with erectile dysfunction. Because a big component of this is psychological, or has at least thought to have been such in the pre-Viagra days, forming a hallelujah chorus proclaiming the unimportance of size in an attempt to erase a man's insecurities is a big part of the battle.

Also, it's a way to keep them in good stead with their main customer base, which is women. Men usually aren't going to go to these counselors unless dragged there first by their wives, kicking and screaming. Thus, all advice from the counselor must be advice that the women are going to want them to say, because if the woman doesn't like the counselor's advice, the counselor gets fired. The women want their men to believe that size doesn't matter both because they don't want their men to think that they're going to be more interested in other men who have better size (and thus might physically abuse their wives if they suspect them of "cheating"), that if they tell the truth about the man's inadequate size that he'll not be able to perform at all and just leave the marriage, and also because most women probably want their men to put more emphasis on foreplay and other non-penetrative activities anyway because men tend to give those short shrift, that also being the easiest area in which to improve. The counselors also don't want to give advice that offends the woman: Your husband has ED because you need to lose 50 pounds. Which is probably the honest truth much of the time!! But they're never going to say that. So instead they tell the men a good strong lie that subtly blames the man for the whole problem: your size insecurities are the problem, it's all in your head, and thus your head is messed up and we need to fix it with counseling at the rate of $90/hr.

[luvdadus]

That was a very insightful post, especially the part about the incentive for counselers to take certain routes and the feminine avoidance of reality and reason. They often simply construct and convince themselves of a reality that suits them. I never really thought about the "size doesn't matter" fib as a method of reassuring spouse that they aren't going to cheat (even if they are - especially if they are), but it does make perfect logical sense.
I think that men must realize that women are masters of manipulation. It is necessary for them to be from thier point of view because since they are smaller and often don't occupy places of influence as often as men, so I think that this technique has been developed and honed over millenia and passed from mother to daughter. They probably don't see the behaviour in the same light as a man would (which when a man realizes he has been maniplated his usual response is anger at a betrayel). They probably see it as a woman's way to get along in a man's world and for the most part don't really mean any maliciousness to their spouse or bf. Even once you realize about women and thier manipulation skills, its perfectly ok to allow them to have some success in it especially in areas that are not all that critical to you - pick your battles. I think that a big hearted but realistic approach will keep you in peace and in pussy.

[Ambitious]

Originally posted by luvdadus
That was a very insightful post, especially the part about the incentive for counselers to take certain routes and the feminine avoidance of reality and reason. They often simply construct and convince themselves of a reality that suits them. I never really thought about the "size doesn't matter" fib as a method of reassuring spouse that they aren't going to cheat (even if they are - especially if they are), but it does make perfect logical sense.
I think that men must realize that women are masters of manipulation. It is necessary for them to be from thier point of view because since they are smaller and often don't occupy places of influence as often as men, so I think that this technique has been developed and honed over millenia and passed from mother to daughter. They probably don't see the behaviour in the same light as a man would (which when a man realizes he has been maniplated his usual response is anger at a betrayel). They probably see it as a woman's way to get along in a man's world and for the most part don't really mean any maliciousness to their spouse or bf. Even once you realize about women and thier manipulation skills, its perfectly ok to allow them to have some success in it especially in areas that are not all that critical to you - pick your battles. I think that a big hearted but realistic approach will keep you in peace and in pussy.

Well, it's a woman's world, not a man's, contrary to all public rhetoric on the matter (just like with penis size!). Women try to keep men bamboozled on this one too, by giving up positions of "influence" to men over issues that they don't give a damn about anyway, then using male predominance in certain fields to get even more privileges on the grounds that they're oppressed!

As for the fibbing about size as a means of reassuring their spouse that they aren't going to cheat: yes, very much. In addition to that, it's a general rule of the girls' club to not reveal very much to men about the real things women are attracted to, whether they're planning on sneaking some on the side with another guy or not. Just think how long it took women to finally admit that a man's eyes and buttocks are major components of how attractive a man is to a woman in a purely physical sense. I think they believe that telling the truth about what they find interesting in men is giving away their power; that if men knew the truth, men could enhance their attractiveness to women and thus be "dangerous" and be able to "sweep them off their feet" --in the sense that too-attractive men would make it hard for women to maintain their ability to coolly manipulate men without emotion, women in truth being much less emotional creatures than men. (Women being more emotional is another one of those big whoppers -- just how emotional are you really, if you can manage to cry on cue to manipulate a man?)

A comment on the fibs women will tell men after they've started PE, that the guy is "fine" and "perfect" just the way he is, blah, blah, blah: another motive for this is that there's risk to a woman if her husband suddenly becomes much more attractive to other women if he gets a significantly larger penis. The female program is to pick an attractive man, then make him less attractive to other women after she's landed him so he won't stray. So women don't buy men clothes that make them look good, feed them a lot of high-carb food so they get fat and have lower testosterone while alleging that this is healthy, spend all the man's money on clothes for the woman and on a big house that the woman will get if there's a divorce, while the man struggles to make the alimony payments, thus making divorce unaffordable, etc.

I'll bet a lot of women who have told their men that they should stop PE because if they get any bigger they'll hurt their wives are not telling the truth. The real reason is that they want them to stop lest the man become too interesting to other women. I'm sure the physical discomfort reason is occasionally true, but much less rarely than it seems to come up.

[luvdadus]

While I agree with some of your points, I think that you take the arguments too far at times. We already agree that women tend to try to control their men to a certain degree with manipulation.
My advice to men is to be aware, don't allow yourself to be "bamboozled" in areas that REALLY matter to you. I get the sense that you could have trouble trusting anything coming from a woman. I'm not sure that is a great place to be. You may never risk getting "fooled" but you could miss out on quite a lot.

[VRMan]

Ambitious,

I think too that your feelings towards women seem a bit too negative sometimes. I think there is a very simple reason -- I agree that the bla-bla about "size doesn't matter" is often said by professionals not because it is true, but because they want to make the readers / clients feel good. After all, they are the ones that pay their bills.

They don't want to hurt all the average or small sized men out there by saying that they are too small for many women. And for many women, it may even be true that size does not matter. Here, the distinction between preference and priority which you pointed out comes into play.

BTW, from a women's point of view, their way of manipulating is no more or less ethical than the power-oriented pressure which men apply when they want to enforce their will. Both is exertion of power with the goal of having another person do something he or she did not want to do. Doing it a way that makes both participants feel good (by silent female manipulation) could even be considered the more ethical and friendly approach.

[luvdadus]

>>Doing it a way that makes both participants feel good (by silent female manipulation) could even be considered the more ethical and friendly approach.>>

I would agree that it is a more friendly approach, I think that it is not more ethical. It involves deception which I hate and I think most people do. The male approach to enforcing the will while less friendly is a bit more honest at least.

[Ambitious]

I think too that your feelings towards women seem a bit too negative sometimes.

I said nothing about my feelings toward women. I made specific observations of what women do. If you believe that women don't do those things, fine -- let me know what particular aspects you disagree with and we can discuss it.

BTW, from a women's point of view, their way of manipulating is no more or less ethical than the power-oriented pressure which men apply when they want to enforce their will. Both is exertion of power with the goal of having another person do something he or she did not want to do.

Very few men actually do this, and those are precisely the men women are most attracted to: the men who wield power. The serfs are much less interesting to them (in point of fact, they're practically invisible). Women have no moral scruples about the exertion of naked power; they just find it more convenient and more effective to cloak it in subtlety and misdirection.

Doing it a way that makes both participants feel good (by silent female manipulation) could even be considered the more ethical and friendly approach.

I don't feel good when being manipulated, either through deception or social coercion -- now that we're talking about feelings. I also do not perceive such behavior as friendly. Your mileage may vary.

[Prickle]

After reading that poll, I didn't know what I hated more...

...women or myself.