Size, Sex, and Love- What I've learned over 2 1/2 years of PE

[dickgrow]

First off let me say that I have now gotten my first certain girth gain. I have gotten girth gains at the base of around .5" Im sure of it. I have also gotten some length of between .25-.4." (I can remember distinctly that my length was at least .25" shorter a couple months ago, but i think it may have been .4" shorter earlier.) Girth midshaft is still pretty much the same but I think that will come along also.(I have been bending mostly near the base). I attribute my gains pretty much completely to bends and blasters.

You all have no idea how significant this is to me. I have been working at this shit for over 2 1/2 years and only within the last couple months have I gotten noticable results. My obsession about my dick has been severe over the last couple of years and has had a horribly destructive and detrimental effect on my personal life.

Im going to take this time to share what I have learned in my quest over the last few years.


Do not obsess about this shit. I wont get into details, but I drove away a woman who loved me very much, partly because of insecurity about my size. Trust me- in the big scheme of things if you are in a mutual love relationship, sex will come to be the best between you because of the way you two feel about each other. In this scenario, sex is 90% mental. The size of your dick is not important at all in a long term real love relationship, anymore than the size of your girl's tits or the tightness of her pussy is to you. Sex is truly best in mutual love, if both people want it to be. Like most good things in life, real love requires a descision and commitment. It grows from respect. It is mental, and so is sex. Sex can be best with anyone if you both are committed to making it that way. If the love is there, the sex will come. If you dont think so, than you have other things to work on besides your dick.
Inner strength, confidence, and self respect, however, is important. If you dont feel good about yourself it is impossible to really love someone fully. You will be too concerned with your own weakness, insecurity, and doubt to help support someone else through theirs. Your insecurity will cause you to act like an asshole without even noticing it. Take pride in being an honest, good, and strong person. If you do this, everything else will fall into place. Trust me, if a girl leaves you or doesnt want you because of the size of your cock, than the realtionship would have eventually failed anyway, even if you had a 10 incher. If this is a scenario you find yourself in, than there never was any real love there anyway. Do not let experiences with shitty people cause you to lose faith in love. I did, and my cynicism, insecurity, and doubt caused me to play games, be an asshole, and hurt the first person who truly loved me because I thought I had to in order to keep their interest.
One last example: I am not inexperienced and have fucked several girls who were objectively more attractive than the one I am talking about above. A tighter pussy for me, like a big dick for many girls, feels better, and the girl I loved had a pussy the size of an airplane hangar. However, until things became shitty between us, we found ways to work around it and I had the best sex of my life with her. It took some time, but I actually came to physically see her as the sexiest, most beautiful woman in the world. No one else could compare. Once again it was something about the way we respected and felt about each other.

So in conclusion I have this to say:
I have discovered that PE really does work. No one was a bigger skeptic than me. I got kicked out of Thunders PE forum under a different name for expressing my doubts about PE a few months ago. If you want a bigger dick it really can happen. Just keep experimenting and keep at it. However, make sure you are doing this for the right reasons. If you want to be a better fuck for one night stands, or for short-term relationships, than yes- having a bigger dick will help with some women. It may help you gain confidence, which will make you more outwardly attractive. It may, mostly because of greater confidence, help you get more sex. These are things we all desire, and they can definetely make the single/dating/ fucking life a lot more fun. However, the size of your cock will seriously NOT MATTER with someone who really loves you, and I dont mean because their love will enable them to accept or overlook mediocre sex. You will seriously be able to become each other's sex gods if you both decide you want it to be that way. If you have a love with respect, honesty, trust, and communication, all it takes is willingness and an open mind. You will find ways to fuck the shit out of each other. Believe me when I say that your penis will not affect your ability to find and experience passionate love in any form unless you let it.

So if you want to get a bigger dick, go for it. It works. But go about it lightheartedly. If you are doing this for someone you love and who loves you, make sure your sex life is great already. In a true love relationship this should only be viewed as a way to make the best sex better. If you cant eventually grow to have the best sex of your lives with each other, without PE, than there are problems in the relationship that a big dick cant fix.



-dickgrow

[realpuffus]

It's funny. I never have PE'd out of an insecurity that women won't find my penis "big" enough. I once had a woman ask me a question that really put my penis size (originally 5.25 X 4.75) in perspective. She asked "have you ever had sex with a woman who didn't want to have sex with you again?" The answer was "no." And she basically said "you must be doing something right, do you want to go have sex again?"

For the same reasons, I've never lifted weights, eaten better, gotten 'better' hair cuts, dressed better, looked for more gainful employment, etc for lack of self confidence sake. I infact think it's the other way around. I do these things because I'm confident they are benifical. I do these things because I can. I live in the fortunate situation where these things are available to me. PE is something "available" to me. The only thing that PE ever does to disappoint me, is when I don't reach a goal. But that would be like everything else I listed.

I PE because I like it.

puff

Oh, and like DLD says "this shit works!"

[doublelongdaddy]

Big changes DG...BIG CHANGES not only in dick size but in belief and self respect. I am very proud of you :) Finding out these things I think is just as critical as PE in itself. I rememeber how you felt but you didn't leave before the miracle happened...this post is a great inspiration to me and I am sure it is to others. Keep growing...not just physically.

DLD

[SirJelqAlot]

here here!

[jGman61]

Originally posted by dickgrow

Trust me- in the big scheme of things if you are in a mutual love relationship, sex will come to be the best between you because of the way you two feel about each other. In this scenario, sex is 90% mental.

I always felt sex was at least 95% mental, the other 5%, tops, friction.

[AverageSized]

Great post...
I love my girl and hopefully will be putting a ring on her finger sometime soon...

And she's been with bigger, smaller, etc...
And she tells me I'm perfect. I PE for myself.. and only myself.

Heck she told me the other day, if I get too big.. sex will be uncomfortable, like I said she's been with bigger and it did not equal better.

Also, like you said. Women do honestly worry about vagina size... I've had more than one woman mention it to me before.

If a girl is big and loose, you think you want to be with her. Even if she's not a slut. Would you hold it against her? Nornally, most men would. But if you loved her it wouldn't matter.

From what I've gained in PE in the few short months... is confidence and harder and healthier erections. As for actual length / girth gains. I have no clue really. But my cock is like it was 10 years ago... and I can't complain, neither can my girl.

And it's so true.. your insecurities are your own. And most women are happy with a great lover with an erect cock. Size only truly comes into play if she's a genuine size queen or not really there for the long run. IMO

If you gain anything from PE... it should be confidence.
There are people in these forums.. I've seen stats, pics, etc.. and I envy them as a male. But as a lover, I'm happy with what I was born with. I'm just trying to make it a bit better.

And great love making is 99% mental... if you can't make your woman orgasm without pentration... keep trying ;)

[drgmerlin]

Dickgrow, well said. Sometimes we learn this lesson later in life which is ok. I think most of us men go through that youthful stage of intermittent sex, one night stands, multiple girlfriends in school. I enjoyed it at the time but i didn't understand back then how it could be.

My girl and i have been deeply in love for about 4 years. Our relationship has brought both of us the best sex of our lives. I never dreamed it could be this good. I never dreamed that a girl like this existed. One who is creative and curious. Young inexperienced guys often want to get up and run away after sex. My girl and I lay and play for hours after great sex. I don't want to leave.

When you care so much for the other person and communicate freely, the sex has to be better. No, the best.

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by drgmerlin
When you care so much for the other person and communicate freely, the sex has to be better. No, the best.

True indeed...

When you love someone in this way even your short comings become ok during sex. For me, only in complete honesty and trust have I been able to reach a level of love that is beyond anything else I thought possible.

[Gandolf]

Dickgrow this is all very true. Firstly, if dick size is anywhere on a girl's top 5 things she looks for in a man, she's not worth dating anyway. I don't think it is for many girls. While I DO think a thick 7-8 inch dick would be prefered to a 5-6 inch dick in MOST cases, a girl will usually settle for anything within a normal range. She'd have to be a complete nympho maniac to actually leave you becuase your dick was too small. This honestly just doesn't happen.

[Hercules]

very very well spoken words,

[dino775]

Great post DG!

[evildead]

An important thread for sure.

Anyone who has any insecurities (which I think is a large proportion of us) will benefit greatly, so thanks DG :)

[8andclimbing]

I figured this would be a verbose recitation regarding vague, nebulous pontifications regarding "penis size and love".

I was right.

Now... rejoining REALITY... let's accept, as axiomatic, that all things being equal, MOST women would prefer a larger cock over a smaller one.

Anyone want to debate this "issue"?

"True Love" is great... and is very accepting... but women are just like men in that they know what they want.

I've met, dated and slept with some great women in my time... but with one or two notable exceptions, I've always wished my women had bigger tits. That doesn't mean I didn't care for these women, it just means that all things being equal, I wish their tits "were bigger".

Oh sure, with the "right person", women will make allowances, but given the chance, she would probably prefer her man with a larger cock over a smaller one.

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by 8andclimbing
Now... rejoining REALITY... let's accept, as axiomatic, that all things being equal, MOST women would prefer a larger cock over a smaller one.


I don't think that is a fair comparison. My girlfriend, who is honest to a fault, said it made no difference to her. Now, does she enjoy my larger cock? ...Yes but I don't think many women will ever experience this. With the exaustive studies done on average size the deviation between what is average small and what is average large is very small and prob. more prominent to men then women. I do agree with you however, once this point enters the PE circles this is when size issues become more important to both parties.

[9totake]

Originally posted by 8andclimbing
I figured this would be a verbose recitation regarding vague, nebulous pontifications regarding "penis size and love".

I was right.

Now... rejoining REALITY... let's accept, as axiomatic, that all things being equal, MOST women would prefer a larger cock over a smaller one.


Oh sure, with the "right person", women will make allowances, but given the chance, she would probably prefer her man with a larger cock over a smaller one.

I believe this is true for most part. Just take a look at swinger sites. Where the couples(and the guy is straight in the couple) that will meet single males are almost always looking for guys that are 8"+ and will only meet hung guys. You never see ads for couples looking to meet single males with small or average penises that know how to use it. In the couple's ads it's always, "looking for hung males or willing to meet other couples and single females." Or, they won't meet single males at all and only will meet other couples or single females (bi or not). Implying that they will meet with another couple, but are mostly interested in the pussy portion and not the dick or wanting to just meet another female. With no stipulations on the couples or single females that they will be, besides maybe being in good shape. This just shows that women, specially ones that are experienced in sex and know what they want and like, want guys with large cocks. Most swinger couples are in their 30s+.

I think females that have been with a hung guy and are now with a smaller/average guy have a sense they are now missing out on something. Since, they had it before. Hung guys can do things smaller guys can't, like change from certain positions to other positions without pulling out or being able to do a particular position that a guy with an average cock size couldn't.

just my 2inches worth...:)

9totake

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by 9totake
I think females that have been with a hung guy and are now with a smaller/average guy have a sense they are now missing out on something. Since, they had it before. Hung guys can do things smaller guys can't, like change from certain positions to other positions without pulling out or being able to do a particular position that a guy with an average cock size couldn't.

just my 2inches worth...:)

9totake

I do agree with this. I think once a big penis is experienced the women who enjoyed this do have a new fetish.

[9totake]

Originally posted by Gandolf
Dickgrow this is all very true. Firstly, if dick size is anywhere on a girl's top 5 things she looks for in a man, she's not worth dating anyway. I don't think it is for many girls. While I DO think a thick 7-8 inch dick would be prefered to a 5-6 inch dick in MOST cases, a girl will usually settle for anything within a normal range. She'd have to be a complete nympho maniac to actually leave you becuase your dick was too small. This honestly just doesn't happen.

This is an interesting post. Let me ask you this question: Would you leave a girl if you found out she had hairy armpits and didn't shave her legs or bush? And she refused to shave any of it. She could hide this fact for while like a guy with a small dick hiding it until the time comes. The point is if you don't find someone sexually attractive/satisfying why stay with them? Just for love? In the end you are only cheating yourself and them because there is someone else out there that is better match for you and her.

I think too many people get love and lust/desire confused. Just because you love someone doesn't mean you desire them sexually or lust for them and vice versa. Women confuse love with sex all the time. And think just because a man wants to have sex with them and lots of sex he must love them. Guys do this too, this is why you see all the crazy stuff going on the 5 o'clock news all the time.



9totake

[AverageSized]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy


I do agree with this. I think once a big penis is experienced the women who enjoyed this do have a new fetish.

Yes and of course no ;)

Don't you wish everyone was the same and it was cut and dry :D

Like I said in my post, my female partner had been with bigger and it did not equal better.
But if I could reach my goals of an extra inch all round, I don't think she's enjoy it less ...

And I've also been with girls in the past who enjoyed smaller and bigger... it's very strange, but it's the world we live in.

Heck I have a gay friend who said he prefers his partners smaller than average... which I found strange as a straight male.. but I guess I don't know the mind of a typical gay male ... lol.

You'd think they'd want big boys :D

[kcee]

One of the earlier posts in this thread mentioned swinger sites where the couples advertised for males 8" or above. I know a couple that is into the swinger scene. I asked the female (who I have know for a number of years) about this after reading the post.
She told me that invariably it is the husband that desires the male to be above average in size. She said that most of the time the husband has an average penis, but is insecure and has this fantasy about seeing his wife with a large guy. She told me that all the women care about is having an orgasm!
I know that there are bound to be women, though, that want a bigger guy, but knowing how most of us are, it bears the ring of truth.

[9totake]

Originally posted by kcee
One of the earlier posts in this thread mentioned swinger sites where the couples advertised for males 8" or above. I know a couple that is into the swinger scene. I asked the female (who I have know for a number of years) about this after reading the post.
She told me that invariably it is the husband that desires the male to be above average in size. She said that most of the time the husband has an average penis, but is insecure and has this fantasy about seeing his wife with a large guy. She told me that all the women care about is having an orgasm!
I know that there are bound to be women, though, that want a bigger guy, but knowing how most of us are, it bears the ring of truth.

This is true, but in my post I stated where the male of the couple is straight. In your post above it would lead to an indication that the male has gay tendencies. Just go a a swinger site sometime and look at the profiles. Many of the couples the female is the interested party in meeting only with hung single males. The same goes with single females that have profiles on swinger sites. They are interested in hung males or other bi-sexual females.

But, what you say is true. There are many a husbands in swinging that enjoy watching their wife get stuffed by a hung guy. I know this from experience.

As, for the husband being insecure the most insecure ones are the ones where they won't meet other males and the couple will only meet single females. Those are the guys that only want to get more pussy, but are to insecure for their wife to have any other dick.

9totake

[drgmerlin]

Having a bigger dick has the potential to make sex better. But bigger to what extent? Hell, it's like being a gunslinger in the cowboy days. No matter how good you were, there was some sonofabitch who could shoot you out of the saddle.

I don't have anything against swinger couples, but they are not necessarily representative of the rest of the world. I couldn't stand the thought of watching some guy big cock or small, fuck my girl. Nothing erotic about it, except in porn movies or male fantasies-not if it's your wife or girlfriend. What if the other guy fucks the shit out of her like you never did? What if you witnessed her having orgasms like she never did with you. I don't want to go there.

Yes, we all want a bigger dick. That's why we are here. I choose to concentrate on being the best lover my girl has ever had. That's why i take care of my body....so i can be better for her. There are several components in the formula besides cock size, like techique, endurance, and understanding your woman.

Dino and i had a discussion a long time ago about this. I appreciated his opinion/advice. He said dick size is important, but it's the whole package that women buy.

[AverageSized]

Originally posted by drgmerlin
dick size is important, but it's the whole package that women buy.

Exactly... well I'd say 99% of women ...

[9totake]

Originally posted by drgmerlin

I don't have anything against swinger couples, but they are not necessarily representative of the rest of the world. I couldn't stand the thought of watching some guy big cock fuck my girl. What if the other guy fucks the shit out of her like you never did?



This is why I enjoy going and meeting couples and fucking the shit out of the wife/girlfriend . ;)

9totake