Average Size Spectrum/ Do naturally huge men exist?

[doublelongdaddy]

A member from MOS started a thread about Acidental PE. I wanted to post my opinion on it here too.

My theory on this is very simple. It is my opinion and does not need to be embraced by anyone and it is open for debate. There is no such thing as being blessed with a big penis and or small penis outside of medical birth disorders. I have spent so much time looking at penis online. I have read each and every size study to date. I have heard average size was anything from 5-7 inches. I have heard blacks hang lower than whites. I have heard Asians fair smaller then whites. I have heard Italians are larger than so and so, etc, etc, etc. In my opinion this is all bullshit. My theory keeps this myth mixup he said she said stories to a minimum.

The normal average human penis is anywhere from 5" to 7" naturally. The higher end of this spectrum of average may be accounted for by men who unknowingly PE'ed throughout their lives. Examples of this are men who suffer from some sort of social anxiety disorder or perhaps a O.C.S.D. (obsessive compulsive spectrum disorder). This group of men may have rituals as I did growing up that centered around the penis. In my case I was constantly pulling on my flaccid penis. It was a stress reaction but non the less it was your basic JAI stretch. The second group of men at the higher end of this spectrum may have strange masturbation practices. Perhaps a stronger grip similar to the basic jelq may have been used. I have also heard cases of extended "edging" sessions during masturbation that may also account for above average girth and or length. One other thing I found in men who were at the higher end of this spectrum are those who practiced some sort of erect bending. For some of the men I have talked to this was part of their masturbation rituals.

Now on the lower end of the average spectrum I think you will find men who had no masturbation rituals or if they did masturbate it was done in a more gentle way. I think to some men masturbation was considered wrong and they avoided it out of shame.

I think anything that falls into the medium of this range may be a be somewhere in between the 2 groups. It is impossible to tell for sure as you would need a huge cross section to establish this as fact.

Now you will always have the Lex Steele's who will swear up and down that they never engaged in PE. The reason I think this happens is because of the highly secretive nature of this practice. Also to the guys who have gotten this prized penis they do not want to give up their livelihood. It is similar to the reaction you get in any of the PE forums when someone posts that PE was mentioned on TV or the radio. Most men freak and do not want this information made public for good reason. We all want to be larger than our brother man. It is a normal feeling. Penis envy is very, very real. We have found the fountain of youth (or penis) and we do not want to share.

The marks of a PE'ed penis are very evident. They are vein covered and vascular looking.
They are darker on a light skinned person in most cases. Creeping hair is present in many cases. The way you see certain porn stars handle their penis can sometimes show signs of PE. In some men you will see stretch marks or bruising. But in almost every penis I have come across online that was huge (above 7") these marks were evident. Look at my pictures, I am a good 10 shades darker in the penis. I am covered with veins. I have stretch marks and creeping hair. I see one or more of these signs in a huge man.

One last tell tale sign you will see is this. Check a picture of Peter North or Jack Napier in their early days of film. Look at them now. There is a huge difference.

[BobbDobbs]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
The normal average human penis is anywhere from 5" to 7" naturally. The higher end of this spectrum of average may be accounted for by men who unknowingly PE'ed throughout their lives.
Just from a statisical viewpoint, I don't think you can rule out natural large penis.

Most human body parts, legs, necks, arms, fingers, boobs, etc -- fall within a range of sizes. You can plot the usual bell shaped curve. Most will fall within the center of the bell, but you'll always have a few outliers that are very big or very small.

I think by Occam's razor we'd just assume the penis follows the same statistical laws without having to conjure up an additional "accidental PE" explanation.

[nelsondogg]

I agree with BobDobbs.. It very well may be that the bell shape is much more narrow for penis sizes than it is for other body parts though, but there are people out there on both sides of the bell. Kind of like a natural 9" penis would be as common as natural FF breasts or a size 18 foot.

[BigJ]

Just because i wasn't born with a huge cock doesn't mean it doesn't happen naturally.

there are women out there with huge breasts, people with huge feet, noses,ears, height, hands etc etc.

i don't think everyone with a large penis got it by accidental pe. As many of the members here will know it takes a lot of effort to stretch your penis hard enough to make it grow. How many guys would have been stretching with a force of 18 - 20 lbs for up to an hour a day by accident?

I think the natural bell curve accounts for the guys with larger "non- ped" penises.

Although i do think this whole debate is not helped by those porn stars who pe and then deny it....


Just my take...

[Gandolf]

I would personally disagree. Penis size is a bell curve, with MOST of the people falling in the average range but there is a small probability of being much smaller or much larger. Look at RWG, we know he started at over 8 inches and with an enormous girth. And on the other side you have someone like Yguy who started at less than 5. We can't chalk that up to masterbation habits, some are born huge, just like some people are born over 7 feet tall, it is rare, but it happens. Its just important not to go around thinking that EVERYBODY out there has a big dick because we know that is not true.

[doublelongdaddy]

How dare you disagree Gandolf!:D

I did not include that in my analysis and I should have. I do think there is a very rare exception to this rule but I also think that most of the exception falls under medical birth reasons. I think that most men who are larger that fall out of this spectrum may be because of conditions like Thyroid problems or Sickle Cell Anemia. Not saying there is not an exception to the rule because there will always be an exception. Y-Guy and RWG may be that exception unless they can account for it by another reason.

[ebon00]

Regular statistics should account for the odd anomaly of a very large penis (8"+). Just as there will be a certain number of penises that are very small (reports of less than 1" erect circulate in medical litterature). I find it hard to see how masturbation would have anything to do with this. Like BigJ said, not many people have enough force to their masturbationto cause any gains.

Of course, the idea is a pleasing one. It would mean that extremely large increases might be possible. Consider John Holmes, a man who I think don't really display any of the tell-tale signs of PE that DLD puts forth. If that monster of a thing, clearly a deadly weapon if there ever was one, could have been created with PE then the sky should be the limit... it doesn't really matter where he started from, to reach that girth from PE would be uncanny.

[pisspipe]

While I agree that masturbation techniques & rituals might account for an extra 0.5-1" of penis, possibly, they could not account for some of the mammoth cocks out there. There is much variation within the human species (as Darwin showed, the greater the complexity of a given species, the greater the possible variation). We all vary in size, for all bodyparts: dicks, balls, tits, arms, fingers, etc.
I, for one, have enormous balls - and I have no explanation, as I never did any type of scrotum/teste activity, stretching, fondling, etc. I've had a number of women comment on my giant balls; and, no, I've never been herniated and, yes, I've had my balls examined by a doctor - they're fine. But who gives a fuck about big balls??? Why couldn't I have born with a big cock!!!!!!!!!
I do agree, huge cocks (8+) are VERY rare - for any race. We need to get that straight....and the fact that porn stars lie like hell about their measurements.

[sizemoore]

I think DLD´s theory is partly correct. There are usually PE-elements on those "natural" big guys, but I think in most cases they are born with these elements. What these "elements" are is for instance long ligs. Look at those hung dudes, like JH or Big Dick Rambone (ah, those sweet 80´s!). They can move their erect dicks in all kinds of directions. Same with Sean Michaels. My assumption is that these fellas are born with really long ligs, just like some guys (myself for instance) have very flexible legs/hips. I´ve been able to do any (just about) crazy Tae Kwon Do kick for as long as I can remember, and I never stretch and have never practised MA. Other guys stretch all day long and their legs are still stiff and rigid.

My point is: Guy with natural big dick=someone born with what we try to accomplish through PE (i.e. longer ligs, better blod flow, stronger PC and all the things that differs a PEd dick from a non-PEd dick).

Just my 2 c.

/sizemoore

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by sizemoore
There are usually PE-elements on those "natural" big guys, but I think in most cases they are born with these elements. What these "elements" are is for instance long ligs. Look at those hung dudes, like JH or Big Dick Rambone (ah, those sweet 80´s!). They can move their erect dicks in all kinds of directions. Same with Sean Michaels. My assumption is that these fellas are born with really long ligs, just like some guys (myself for instance) have very flexible legs/hips. I´ve been able to do any (just about) crazy Tae Kwon Do kick for as long as I can remember, and I never stretch and have never practised MA. Other guys stretch all day long and their legs are still stiff and rigid.

In this case I think that these men, you and I included, were born with better potential to gain. John Holmes had a stretch mark running up the belly of his penis very similar to the one I have. This stretch mark for myself was PE related. Rambone I have only seen a couple times but what comes to mind when I reflect on his pictures is he was VERY vascular and his penis was VERY dark.

[fow1]

My own personel observation is that I did gain length and girth over the years thru casual stretching, ting, pulling, tucking, etc. dreaming of a bigger dick.

Here is a excerpt from my history:

My PE History, Methods and Gains Prior to May 2000

"Unconsciously started PE about 40+ years ago and will relate beginning size to ““ye ole toilet tissue tube”” comparison method. The best I can remember and at about age 16, I could insert my penis into the tube and extend beyond the end approx. ½" with just a loose fit. Assuming an additional ½" to bone press and no change in tube dimensions in the past 44 years(am now 60), I would estimate a beginning length of 5.5 to 6.0" and girth of 5.0".

A more recent and accurate account of my size was approx. 1 year ago with an erect length of 7.0", an erect girth of 5.5", and a flaccid length of 4.5"."

That being from my Personal History post. I can remember, beleive it or not, when I married I was still about that size(6"x5") and should have been at my full and natural growth. Somewhere and somehow in that 37 year span I managed to gain 1"x.5"

So, all that being presented. I would buy into the theory that we or some of us anyway, do gain length thru the years by performing PE unknowningly or unconsiously.

By the way, For those who might not remember, I officially started PE on Nov. 29, 1999 at 7" X 5.5"

[EvilPenis]

I think you are right about this DLD.

I have a cousin who bragged about his 8 inch pecker when we were 18. He told me that he used to masturbate with oil and that it made it get bigger. I didnt believe him, not until I stumpled onto PE and jelqing and babyoil. Then I tried masturbating once with babyoil and sure thing it took longer and got somewhat bigger. My cousin had somehow figured this thing out when he was just a kid and had jerked of using this technique (and I know he jerked off ALOT) through all his teen years....so you figure ...
Evil

[Gandolf]

My own personel observation is that I did gain length and girth over the years thru casual stretching, ting, pulling, tucking, etc. dreaming of a bigger dick.

Here is a excerpt from my history:

My PE History, Methods and Gains Prior to May 2000

"Unconsciously started PE about 40+ years ago and will relate beginning size to ??ye ole toilet tissue tube?? comparison method. The best I can remember and at about age 16, I could insert my penis into the tube and extend beyond the end approx. ½" with just a loose fit. Assuming an additional ½" to bone press and no change in tube dimensions in the past 44 years(am now 60), I would estimate a beginning length of 5.5 to 6.0" and girth of 5.0".

A more recent and accurate account of my size was approx. 1 year ago with an erect length of 7.0", an erect girth of 5.5", and a flaccid length of 4.5"."

That being from my Personal History post. I can remember, beleive it or not, when I married I was still about that size(6"x5") and should have been at my full and natural growth. Somewhere and somehow in that 37 year span I managed to gain 1"x.5"

So, all that being presented. I would buy into the theory that we or some of us anyway, do gain length thru the years by performing PE unknowningly or unconsiously.

By the way, For those who might not remember, I officially started PE on Nov. 29, 1999 at 7" X 5.5"Fow, if you are still around can you give us any info on the habits you have that could have potentially accounted for the gain you made, prior to PE? For example, pulling the dick out of a nervous habit, excessive masturbation, ect...

[fow1]

Sorry, don't remember much more than what you quoted from my original post. I do remember tucking it between my legs when erect kind of like a "fowfer" with a hardon. I guess that would have an affect similar to one of the old exercise from about 5 years ago. Can't remember the name but was twisting and tucking a simi-hard penis I think.

[brianrex]

Interesting theory, DLD. While there is undoubtedly a bell-curve-like distribution of penis sizes, I think you may be on to something regarding the role of incidental PE practices in the larger ones on the tail. It would be really telling, I think, if we could study the masturbation styles/rituals that men of different sizes engaged in from puberty through adulthood. I suspect we might find some patterns between thickness and length and the intensity/duration of masturbation techniques. For now, I guess it's pretty safe to assume that an exceedingly vascular dick is probably not a natural occurence. Like vascularity in a bodybuilder, it is most likely the result of a lot of "exercise."

[Gandolf]

Sorry, don't remember much more than what you quoted from my original post. I do remember tucking it between my legs when erect kind of like a "fowfer" with a hardon. I guess that would have an affect similar to one of the old exercise from about 5 years ago. Can't remember the name but was twisting and tucking a simi-hard penis I think.
Bruiser 180/360. These have since faded to relative obscurity.

[ls1]

Of course there are naturally large penises! Look at me, when errect I'm 8.5" long and 6" around. I've never pe'd a day in my life either. My penis is very vascular also, but I'm vascular all over.

[Gandolf]

Of course there are naturally large penises! Look at me, when errect I'm 8.5" long and 6" around. I've never pe'd a day in my life either. My penis is very vascular also, but I'm vascular all over.I'm not doubting your size, some men are 8.5X6 and I do consider that huge. But you've been here at the forum for 2 years and have never PE'ed even once? What do you do here then?

[ls1]

I'm not doubting your size, some men are 8.5X6 and I do consider that huge. But you've been here at the forum for 2 years and have never PE'ed even once? What do you do here then?

I come here for sexual health information. For a while, my libido had been way down, and I didn't know what the problem was. Eventually I found out that the reason was because I was taking Propecia for minor hair loss. After I stopped taking it, I returned back to normal. I still come here for sexual health information.

[Gandolf]

I come here for sexual health information. For a while, my libido had been way down, and I didn't know what the problem was. Eventually I found out that the reason was because I was taking Propecia for minor hair loss. After I stopped taking it, I returned back to normal. I still come here for sexual health information.I've heard Propecia is very harsh on a person's erections and such. This depresses me because I am beginning to lose hair but I don't want to risk problems to my sexual health. I know that my dad took Propecia for about a year and regrew virtually all of his lost hair, but eventually stopped taking it because of the sexual side effects. It is sad that they say that only 2% of men experience them when this is clearly not the case.

[ls1]

I've heard Propecia is very harsh on a person's erections and such. This depresses me because I am beginning to lose hair but I don't want to risk problems to my sexual health. I know that my dad took Propecia for about a year and regrew virtually all of his lost hair, but eventually stopped taking it because of the sexual side effects. It is sad that they say that only 2% of men experience them when this is clearly not the case.


My hair doesn't recede at all anymore. To tell you the truth, I would rather be bald than take Propecia again. There were so many instances that could have been great times if not for that bastard drug Propecia. :mad:

[MechaBlue]

Mid 20s and bald as a cueball. Don't feel bad about it, just work with it. In knowledge-based industries, age is a sign of experience (e.g., $$$). Shaved head with a reasonably defined build looks strong and tough. No hair, no executive position but who wants to work 18 hours a day to sell their soul ;)

As for size, the standard deviation seems to be around an inch. If 6 is average: 67% of men fall between 5 an 7; 95% fall between 4 and 8; 99.5% fall between 3 and 9.

It should also be acknowledged that all measurements are affected by experience. Extended bouts of priapism, extra firm erections, long masturbation session, and hormonal imbalances (and the opposites of each) will all have effects and these effects are seen in the standards.

The distinction between normal and abnormal, natural and unnatural, are artificial and must be defined. This can lead to the problem of redefining terms to correspend to the theory. Is priapism, and the resulting dirt-dragger, natural? Is it normal? It is the result of a genetic adaptation (natural) to malaria (unnatural?) which, in turn causes priapism, which causes the growth (how long can a chain of causality be before it is considered unnatural?). Does normal refer to size or the cause of size? 4+ standard deviations from the norm is certainly abnormal, but saying that a 12 inch penis is abnormally large does not reveal anything. Is priapism normal or abnormal? Hormonal imbalance? Etc.

It is important to remember that statistical measures are an imperfect mathematical tool. In fact, the normal distribution (a.k.a. bell curve) does not apply here (theoretically, a man could have a penis of negative length); the Gamma distribution (I think) is more applicable.

The qualitative data (e.g., differences in skin color, vein number and prominence) are a good indicator of PE. One must remember that many porn stars have a visit with the penis pump before showtime.

Not really an answer to the question, but I think it highlights some problems with the domain of the problem.

[Big Al]

You certainly don't need to work 18 hours a day to be successful- at least not all of the time.